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C of E encourages trans-clerics
« on: May 28, 2018, 02:48:46 PM »
C of E is certainly a trend-setting organization.


Transgender people are being encouraged to join the clergy in new Church of England guidance on “honouring LGBT+ people”, aimed at fighting the church’s reputation as “homophobic”.

Guidance from bishops in Lichfield, a diocese covering almost 600 churches in an area populated by more than 2 million people, reminds parishioners and clergy that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and people who identify as transgender “can be called to roles of leadership and service in the local church”.

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Re: C of E encourages trans-clerics
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2018, 03:51:50 PM »
So what? There are High-Church Anglicans who vehemently oppose this stuff. I see this kind of thing quite a bit with modern Catholic apologists.( taking joy in and mocking the bad behavior of other Christians) I hate to say this, but the Church( in its current state) is in no place to criticize or mock anyone. Let's straighten the Church out first. When we have our heads on straight, we can help others get their heads on straight as well.


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Re: C of E encourages trans-clerics
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2018, 03:54:37 PM »
So what? There are High-Church Anglicans who vehemently oppose this stuff. I see this kind of thing quite a bit with modern Catholic apologists.( taking joy in and mocking the bad behavior of other Christians) I hate to say this, but the Church( in its current state) is in no place to criticize or mock anyone. Let's straighten the Church out first. When we have our heads on straight, we can help others get their heads on straight as well.

Heretics are not Christians.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

Re: C of E encourages trans-clerics
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2018, 03:59:55 PM »
Heretics are not Christians.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
Yes they are. Most Protestants are material heretics( in error but not culpable for it) not formal ones. When discussing salvation, Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange notes
"Theologians in general are inclined to fill out what Scripture and tradition tell us by distinguishing the means of salvation given to Catholics from those that are given men of good will beyond the borders of the Church. …If we are treating of all Christians, of all who have been baptized, Catholic, schismatic, Protestant, it is more probable, theologians generally say, that the great number is saved. First, the number of infants who die in the state of grace before reaching the age of reason is very great. Secondly, many Protestants, being today in good faith, can be reconciled to God by an act of contrition, particularly in danger of death. Thirdly, schismatics can receive a valid absolution"

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Re: C of E encourages trans-clerics
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2018, 04:23:10 PM »
Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange

Orestes Brownson

Brownson's Quarterly Review, 1873

https://books.google.com/books?id=aHBBAAAAYAAJ&

Pgs. 482 - 483


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We know nothing more reprehensible than the nambypambyism babbled by sentimental Catholics about the good faith of "our separated brethren." There may be persons in good faith amongst Protestants, but, if so, they do not lack opportunities of showing it, and of coming out from the Babylon in which they have been reared. Men cannot be saved without Christ, for there is no other name given under heaven whereby they can be saved. Without faith it is impossible to please God, and he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and is the remunerator of them that seek him ; and how can those be saved by Christ who adhere to the party that rejects him and makes war on him ; and how can they have faith or believe in God who commune with those who resolve all faith, all belief, all truth indeed, into a mere opinion, or an inward sentiment, varying with each individual?

If Catholicity is Christian, if reason is authoritative in its own province, nothing is more certain than that Protestantism is in no sense Christian, and that persons living and dying Protestants cannot be saved. It is a stultification of common sense to maintain the contrary, and besides, it practically neutralizes all our efforts to convert Protestants, and to bring them to a living and saving faith in Christ. We know what theologians say of invincible ignorance, and we do not contradict them. Invincible ignorance excuses from sin in that whereof one is invincibly ignorant; but it gives no faith, no virtue ; and without faith, without positive virtue, no man can be saved. The man who holds implicitly the Catholic faith, but errs through invincible ignorance with regard to some of its consectaria, and even dogmas, may be saved ; but how can a man be said to hold implicitly the Catholic faith, who holds nothing, or rejects every principle, that implies it? It is not safe to apply to Protestants, who really deny everything catholic, a rule that is very just when applied to sincere but ignorant Catholics, or Catholics that err through inculpable ignorance. Protestantism does not stand on the footing of ordinary heterodoxy ; it is no more Christian than was Greek and Roman paganism.



http://www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16summo.htm

Summo Iugiter Studio, On Mixed Marriages, Pope Gregory XVI - 1832

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Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.

Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange and the theologians who posited otherwise, erred