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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2022, 05:34:12 AM »
Quote from: Ferdi on November 07, 2022, 05:02:00 AM
I have heard these and similar things from the Dimonds as well.
But considering that after the Council of Trent the Pope established a seperate congregation specifically tasked with interpreting the council's decrees, the idea that interpreting a dogma is not allowed must be wrong.
Ridiculous. Arguably the greatest of all the councils in the Church purposely did not teach clearly? Are we to believe that Trent taught infallible ambiguity? Balderdash.

"Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding." - First Vatican Council
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2022, 07:06:54 AM »
Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini on November 07, 2022, 01:50:56 AM
I've never heard him say he doesn't bieve that and he links to introibo's blog which calls people who reject invincible ignorance feeneyites and reposts Sanborn's guys who accept invincible ignorance.

I've searched his site for invincible ignorance and not once has he denounced it but he did say in one article that it wouldn't apply to a certain case, implying it could otherwise.
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I see. So there's no breaking news here, just the satisfaction of your un-evidenced prejudice. 
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2022, 07:09:42 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on November 07, 2022, 05:34:12 AM
Ridiculous. Arguably the greatest of all the councils in the Church purposely did not teach clearly? Are we to believe that Trent taught infallible ambiguity? Balderdash.

"Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding." - First Vatican Council
It says the the understanding, meaning, and sense must be retained.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2022, 07:12:32 AM »
Servus, that's a good quote from St. Augustine, thanks for the reminder. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Breaking: NOW (M. Derksen) Rejects Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2022, 07:22:53 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 07, 2022, 07:09:42 AM
It says the the understanding, meaning, and sense must be retained.
Yes of course, which is to say that there is every reason for a Pope to condemn "a separate congregation specifically tasked with interpreting the council's decrees" were such a thing to exist, not establish one.
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