The problem ________ seems to be having is the confusion of the status of those who through no fault of their own are not in the body of the Church and those who leave the Church and refuse to reconcile with her. That is what no salvation outside the Church really means: That those who enter her via baptism, then separate themselves by schism, heresy or apostasy, are endangering their immortal souls.

That is what Pius IX referred to in this part of the cited encyclical:

But, the Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church is well-known; and also that those who are obstinate toward the authority and definitions of the same Church, and who persistently separate themselves from the unity of the Church, and from the roman pontiff, the successor of Peter, to whom “the guardianship of the vine has been entrusted by the Savior,” cannot obtain eternal salvation.

St. Pius X could not have contradicted the Church in this matter, as he as pope exercised his teaching authority in union with the constant traditional teaching of the Church. As such, even in the capacity of teaching in the ordinary Magisterium, his teaching would be infallibly protected. If one reads what the great pope wrote, one plainly sees his authentic understanding of no salvation outside the Catholic Church, which is carried forward in the Catechism today.

This is a very serious matter for those in schism, such as the leaders of the SSPX and various sedevacantist groups that claim the pope is anything from a heretic to an anti-pope. Pius IX made it plain in his encyclical that such people are more in danger of losing their eternal salvation than a righteous pagan. This is a sobering and disturbing thought, and we must pray for those separated from the body of Christ to be reconciled as soon as possible.

As for his views on EENS, perhaps our knowledgeable ________ would be gracious enough to put into his own words his understanding of the dogma of no salvation outside the Church. It would be greatly appreciated to read his own words instead of re-reading the lengthy material posted.

That one sentence seems to say those in I.I. can be saved by default.

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Pretend i was a liberal salvation heretic looking for any excuse to deny EENS.

Is that all you would say? That i am reading it incorrectly?

If you were a liberal salvation heretic looking for any excuse to deny EENS, you'd believe the Ven. Pope Pius IX denied EENS. You'd be wrong of course.

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There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion.

Do you believe Sanborn, Cekada, Dolan & co. use I.I. to save people by default?

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I understand. The Ven. Pope Pius IX didn't contradict himself, that would be the Catholic understanding of what is written.

The point is that it looks like it and i just wanted to see if there was an actual argument that could explain what he said, but i guess there isn't. I suppose you can only say that you have to take it in the context of the other 2 times he mentioned I.I.

Btw, and im not saying that he didn't really deserve it, but Venerable was a title given to him by the Novus Ordo.

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Quote from: SJB

I understand. The Ven. Pope Pius IX didn't contradict himself, that would be the Catholic understanding of what is written.

The point is that it looks like it and i just wanted to see if there was an actual argument that could explain what he said, but i guess there isn't. I suppose you can only say that you have to take it in the context of the other 2 times he mentioned I.I.

Btw, and im not saying that he didn't really deserve it, but Venerable was a title given to him by the Novus Ordo.

In context is always the correct way, isn't it?