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Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2022, 01:43:21 PM »
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  • Don't be discouraged. It's well worth reading.

    I agree, just needs to be taken with a little grain of salt here, knowing that it's not a theology manual and that it's likely been embellished.


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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #16 on: October 06, 2022, 02:31:56 PM »
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  • Don't be discouraged. It's well worth reading.
    I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about Emmerich's books. Now I'm relieved they weren't condemned. I forgot I literally talked about this with Ladislaus.


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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #17 on: October 06, 2022, 06:50:04 PM »
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  • I agree, just needs to be taken with a little grain of salt here, knowing that it's not a theology manual and that it's likely been embellished.
    Little grain of salt means you go into it expecting error or at the least the possibility of error, I don't get why someone would recommend writings which border on erroneous theology. Would you recommend something like Valtorta like Bp. Williamson and just look over the error (to put it lightly)? Makes no sense. 
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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #18 on: October 06, 2022, 07:03:05 PM »
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  • If you read the whole CE article, you'll see that any censure given was not held universally or perpetually, although her work was continually contested, probably by demonic forces.  No censure was held in Spain, which suggests at least some censures were politically motivated. As shown prior in this thread, the saints like Agreda were not trying to provide doctrinally perfect content but to provide meditative assistance based on their own perspective. Blessed Mary Agreda provides a deeply detailed and passionate look at the life of Christ and Our Lady that serve to deepen love of the Holy Family.   
    Her work was continually contested by demonic forces? You mean learned Thomistic theologians that didn't opine on it in the same way you do? I was just stating that due to it's controversy by legitimate authorities (with also a valid basis to find issue) it wouldn't be exactly safe. Something which is obvious since others say you have to take caution when reading it lol. Also, she wasn't ever beatified (even by v2 antipopes from what I can tell) so I'm not sure why you're calling her blessed. And the condemnation, by the way, WAS effective in Spain, it was just suspended for Charles II. 
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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #19 on: October 06, 2022, 09:54:43 PM »
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  • Her work was continually contested by demonic forces? You mean learned Thomistic theologians that didn't opine on it in the same way you do? I was just stating that due to it's controversy by legitimate authorities (with also a valid basis to find issue) it wouldn't be exactly safe. Something which is obvious since others say you have to take caution when reading it lol. Also, she wasn't ever beatified (even by v2 antipopes from what I can tell) so I'm not sure why you're calling her blessed. And the condemnation, by the way, WAS effective in Spain, it was just suspended for Charles II.
    There were certain copies printed in various languages that were condemned because they had errors in them.  The original was not condemned from what I understand.  I will create a thread and share the "Approbations" from the introduction to the book in its own thread in a few minutes.

    Bishop Sanborn had at one time condemned the writings of Ven. Mary of Agreda's City of God and told a friend of mine not to read it because it was condemned.  After I shared the Approbations with her from my old copy and she shared it with him, he stopped criticizing it from what I understand.
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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #20 on: October 06, 2022, 10:38:56 PM »
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  • Little grain of salt means you go into it expecting error or at the least the possibility of error, I don't get why someone would recommend writings which border on erroneous theology. Would you recommend something like Valtorta like Bp. Williamson and just look over the error (to put it lightly)? Makes no sense.

    I don't think Emmerick's theology is erroneous, just that I believe some of the narratives regarding the details of Christ's Life should be understood as a combination perhaps of fact and fiction, a novel attempting to depict Our Lord's life in vivid detail combined with some actual private revelation ... so a blend.  Some of this embellishment could be Emmerich herself "interpreting" something she saw, or thought she saw, while some could be due to Brentano fancying himself a great poet and novelist.  That's not to say there's theological error in her works.

    Valtorta is a different story entirely.

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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #21 on: October 06, 2022, 10:42:09 PM »
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  • Some argue that the condemnations were partly due to a significant Jansensist element at the Sorbonne.  Rome ended up lifting the condemation at some point.

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    Re: BoD revealed to Anne Catherine Emmerich?
    « Reply #22 on: October 07, 2022, 06:01:14 AM »
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  • Some argue that the condemnations were partly due to a significant Jansensist element at the Sorbonne.  Rome ended up lifting the condemation at some point.
    Yes to THIS for the Mary of Agreda Mystical City of God..  :incense:
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