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Author Topic: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites  (Read 4640 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2026, 11:13:22 AM »
On BOD, if someone is a catechumen and dies before they get to the font, or if someone lives on a primitive island where there are no priests - let's say they possess one Bible and have a desire to be baptized and be part of Christ's church, but they have a limited understanding, and they die before they have the chance, how can you say that certainly they are damned? Is God a cruel God, or is He a good God, merciful and just? Can someone just explain this to me in short terms. Now, BOD has a liberal interpretation which is false. Of course "not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Mt. 7:21  The novus ordo would like to propose so. "Everyone goes to heaven following their own path." Pp. Francis said "good Muslims can go to heaven".
What is so difficult to accept that a good, merciful and just God would certainly provide the minister, the time and the water to administer the sacrament to such a catechumen? Do BODers believe God is too busy, preoccupied, or what to provide the sacrament which He Himself made a requirement for heaven? 

Again, the only way a BOD works is when God's Providence is completely taken out of the formula, which is to say that with the divine providence, a BOD fails, without it, it works. 

"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you." - Bread of Life by Fr. Feeney   

Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2026, 03:56:26 PM »
This argument of yours has already been answered before me.:cowboy:
It means it is not open for discussion. 


Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2026, 04:56:26 PM »
Can someone explain to me how the martyrs are in heaven if you deny BOB? The Holy Innocents are saints and martyrs. They are in the calendar. Do you deny the martyrs whose very relics are required to be in the altar, and whose very names are in the canon of the Mass?
Those who reject BOD and BOB would say that the Holy Innocents are true martyrs and saints, because their martyrdom took place before the law of baptism was promulgated. They would say such a thing cannot happen after the law of baptism was promulgated by Our Lord at His Ascension.

What they do not understand is that when the Church defines anything concerning the sacrament of baptism, BOD and BOB are not in opposition to those definitions, because BOD and BOB are true baptisms, and a participation in the sacrament.

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #88 on: April 26, 2026, 07:08:52 PM »
What is so difficult to accept that a good, merciful and just God would certainly provide the minister, the time and the water to administer the sacrament to such a catechumen? Do BODers believe God is too busy, preoccupied, or what to provide the sacrament which He Himself made a requirement for heaven?

Again, the only way a BOD works is when God's Providence is completely taken out of the formula, which is to say that with the divine providence, a BOD fails, without it, it works.

"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you." - Bread of Life by Fr. Feeney 
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
 14 How then shall they call on him, in whom they have not believed? Or how shall they believe him, of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear, without a preacher [Romans 10:14]
 15 And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things!

Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2026, 07:52:52 AM »
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
 14 How then shall they call on him, in whom they have not believed? Or how shall they believe him, of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear, without a preacher [Romans 10:14]
 15 And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things!
I notice the Dimonds and their followers constantly quote Scripture without commentary, and make up their own. Like Protestants. 

Catholics are supposed to use commentary, using the Catechism, Fathers and Tradition. Pope Leo XIII talks about the proper Catholic reading of Scripture in Providentissimus Deus.