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Author Topic: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites  (Read 525 times)

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Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 07:15:53 AM »
I would rather not even use the label Feenyite even.

Because you people thrive off it. Kind of perverse. You love it because it creates a sense of victimhood.

The label should not be used because it is a distraction for what is clearly a mental problem. A deep pyschological unease. Like the Taylorites and the extreme dogmatic sedes. Unable to deal with uncertainty.

You create strawmen, persecution that doesn't exist, then proceed to  whip yourselves up into a self righteous emotional frenzy and if anyone goes against you, take the moral high ground.

The average person sees through it, but usually can't express why, against you.


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Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:27:36 AM »
The only way a BOD works is when God's Providence is completely taken out of the formula, which is to say that with the divine providence, a BOD fails, without it, it works.

With the Divine Providence, God fulfills the desire by providing the sacrament, same as He does for all the baptized. Note the sacrament in and of itself does not reward salvation to anyone.

Without the Divine Providence, the person's presumed faith / contrition / perfect love saves them. Note a BOD in and of itself rewards salvation to all a BODers - this idea is entirely protestant and condemned by the Church.

That's not feeneyite, that plain old Catholicism.


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Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:32:43 AM »
The Canons of the Council of Trent clearly state that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation, that Baptism is necessary for salvation, and that water is the matter for Baptism.

Council of Trent, Session Seven, On The Sacraments in General, Canon IV:
If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.

The following syllogism lays out the necessity of baptism with water for salvation.

Major: If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema. (Council of Trent, Session Seven, On Baptism, Canon V)
Minor: If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema. (Council of Trent, Session Seven, On Baptism, Canon II)
Conclusion: Baptism with water is necessary for salvation.

No Pope or Ecuмenical Council has defined Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood, and they are not universal teachings of the Church.

Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 07:33:34 AM »
I would rather not even use the label Feenyite even.

Because you people thrive off it. Kind of perverse. You love it because it creates a sense of victimhood.

The label should not be used because it is a distraction for what is clearly a mental problem. A deep pyschological unease. Like the Taylorites and the extreme dogmatic sedes. Unable to deal with uncertainty.

You create strawmen, persecution that doesn't exist, then proceed to  whip yourselves up into a self righteous emotional frenzy and if anyone goes against you, take the moral high ground.

The average person sees through it, but usually can't express why, against you.
Do you consider that "Feenyism" is a heresy and those hold this view are damned?

Re: Bishop Williamson on Feeneyites
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 07:56:24 AM »
Like the Taylorites and the extreme dogmatic sedes. Unable to deal with uncertainty.

What is a "Taylorite"?

If this is a reference to Bishop Patrick Taylor, what did he teach that was distinctive enough to give his followers a group name?