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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #750 on: May 24, 2025, 06:55:58 PM »
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    • I myself hold the See to be vacant but maintain that both sides err regarding the scope of infallibility.

    Unfortunately, in combatting the errors of R&R, the SVs have grossly exaggerated the inerrancy of papal teaching, and even absurdly extend it to the consensus of theologians (something that I call Cekadism, and which Msgr. Fenton rejects as erroneous).

    For all that SVs tout pre V2 theologians, I defy them to find a single one who extends infallibility to the ridiculous extent that they do.

    On the other side, while papal Magisterium is not absolutely inerrant, if it can get so corrupted that Catholics may and even must refuse submission to and communion with the Pope, and can't say the same Mass, or recognize their saints ... they would have the Church defect.  That is not possible ... as Archbishop Lefebvre agreed.
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    Offline hgodwinson

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #751 on: May 25, 2025, 04:41:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on May 24, 2025, 04:18:07 PM
    Why does anyone care what an excommunicated priest said about theology, or about anything, really? He was not authorized by the Church...
    Well first off, many believe that John XXIII was a valid Pope and as such his excommunication was lifted. Others believe that his excommunication came not from from Pope Pius XII, but (if I'm not mistaken) the Holy Office, which was part of the same structure they believe got turned inside out just years later at Vatican ii. Still others believe that the Church was becoming increasingly lax on the salvation dogma (culminating at Vatican ii) and such an excommunication was merely an effect of that, and as such can be treated as if it didn't happen. 

    In short, he went against the grain, in a big way, and so attracted a lot of attention. As you probably know, there are some Priests who will deny communion to those who hold his beliefs so it is not only his followers who care what he thought. 

    Also, no trad clergy can really be "authorized" by the Church until we get a Pope. Sure there is supplied jurisdiction but there is currently no hierarchy that operates on the basis of giving imprimaturs or clearing up current theological controversies. Such is the nature of the crisis. 

    (Sure this was tongue and cheek but so was the question)
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #752 on: May 26, 2025, 12:21:13 AM »
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    • +ABL was excommunicated for theological disagreements with V2.  (And if new-Rome wanted to, they could easily excommunicate every single Trad cleric in the world).  Ergo, using your flawed logic, why should anyone convert/follow Tradition if they aren’t approved?
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #753 on: May 26, 2025, 12:59:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 26, 2025, 12:21:13 AM
    +ABL was excommunicated for theological disagreements with V2.  (And if new-Rome wanted to, they could easily excommunicate every single Trad cleric in the world).  Ergo, using your flawed logic, why should anyone convert/follow Tradition if they aren’t approved?
    Because the Vatican ii anti-popes and their henchmen have no right to approve of or disprove of anything on God's behalf. 
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #754 on: May 27, 2025, 10:19:25 PM »
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    • "There can be no more fatal mistake than to soften, liberalize, or latitudinize this terrible dogma, 'Out of the Church there is no salvation,' or to give a man an opportunity to persuade himself that he belongs to the soul of the Church, though an alien from the body."

    Orestes Brownson, Works, vol. 20, p.414

    And some of you try and distort Brownson's writings to support your own deranged, unphilosophical, uncatholic, imaginary ideas about Catholic theology. 
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #755 on: Yesterday at 05:58:47 AM »
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    • 51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it. 
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #756 on: Yesterday at 06:42:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on Yesterday at 05:58:47 AM
    51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
    I think you've got it entirely mixed up. Objectively, anyone who dies without baptism cannot be saved. That I know because it is Church teaching. Subjectively, I cannot apply that to any individual person because I have no idea what happened between them and God before their death, at the moment of death, or at their judgement. There is no way of knowing that and I have no right to know. How can I say with certainty that any single person was not, at some point in their life, baptised? I cannot. The debate about BOD or water-only Baptism is about the necessity of the sacrament in general, and should not be applied to any one person in particular 
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    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #757 on: Yesterday at 07:46:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on Yesterday at 05:58:47 AM
    51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
    Not true.  Plenty of people have changed their minds over the years.  
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #758 on: Yesterday at 09:27:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on Yesterday at 05:58:47 AM
    51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
    From Fr. Feeney's Bread of Life:




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    "Blessed is the simplicity which leaveth alone the difficult paths of questionings, and followeth the plain and firm steps of God’s commandments." - The Imitation of Christ

    "If Jesus was baptized with water to fulfill all justice, how shall we have justice fulfilled in us without Baptism of Water?" - Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life. 

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #759 on: Yesterday at 10:51:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 27, 2025, 10:19:25 PM
    "There can be no more fatal mistake than to soften, liberalize, or latitudinize this terrible dogma, 'Out of the Church there is no salvation,' or to give a man an opportunity to persuade himself that he belongs to the soul of the Church, though an alien from the body."

    Orestes Brownson, Works, vol. 20, p.414

    And some of you try and distort Brownson's writings to support your own deranged, unphilosophical, uncatholic, imaginary ideas about Catholic theology.

    OA,

    Who is this directed at? If this is directed at me, man up, and address me.

    Thank you.
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.
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