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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #690 on: August 07, 2017, 12:10:48 PM »
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  • One of the worst websites online. Destroying the Sacrament of Baptism is evil.
    Or not.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #691 on: August 07, 2017, 12:20:43 PM »
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  • Just a shameless bump from LoT of a mindless spam site (put up by his buddy / alter-ego bosco) ... since he's been completely refuted and confounded on the actual theological subjects under discussion on other threads.  His bump is just a distraction from that.


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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #692 on: August 07, 2017, 12:21:52 PM »
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  • Just a shameless bump from LoT of a mindless spam site (put up by his buddy / alter-ego bosco) ... since he's been completely refuted and confounded on the actual theological subjects under discussion on other threads.  His bump is just a distraction from that.
    Or not.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #693 on: August 07, 2017, 12:22:37 PM »
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  • Just a shameless bump from LoT of a mindless spam site (put up by his buddy / alter-ego bosco) ... since he's been completely refuted and confounded on the actual theological subjects under discussion on other threads.  His bump is just a distraction from that.
    Do you keep a straight face when you state truths about you and apply them to me? 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #694 on: August 07, 2017, 12:26:43 PM »
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  • Or not.
    So, destroying the Sacrament of Baptism is not evil?  Naturally, this is the opinion of all bod'ers and proves the mindset of those who have no respect for the sacraments.  


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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #695 on: August 07, 2017, 12:29:53 PM »
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  • So, destroying the Sacrament of Baptism is not evil?  Naturally, this is the opinion of all bod'ers and proves the mindset of those who have no respect for the sacraments.  
    Since when did theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes who teach BOD "destroy the Sacrament"?  Why do you invent accusations in order to undermine your opponent.  Explain to me how the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes who speak to the contrary who teach BOD "destroy" the sacrament?  Or do you not care about the truth and instead you will invent another trumped up charge?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #696 on: August 07, 2017, 12:32:07 PM »
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  • Since when did theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes who teach BOD "destroy the Sacrament"? Why do you invent accusations in order to undermine your opponent.  Explain to me how the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes who speak to the contrary who teach BOD "destroy" the sacrament?  Or do you not care about the truth and instead you will invent another trumped up charge?
    You destroy the Sacrament when you say Baptism isn't necessary.  And that's what you teach: Bod=The Sacrament of Baptism is not necessary.  

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #697 on: August 07, 2017, 12:33:54 PM »
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  • You destroy the Sacrament when you say Baptism isn't necessary.  And that's what you teach: Bod=The Sacrament of Baptism is not necessary.  
    Then I'm stuck with the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes and you are stuck with Feeney and the Dimonds.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #698 on: August 07, 2017, 12:41:22 PM »
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  • Then I'm stuck with the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes and you are stuck with Feeney and the Dimonds.
    You wish you had Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes.  You have nothing but supposition, if, maybe, possibly, hopefully, perhaps...all with the express desire to destroy the firm doctrine that Baptism, remission of sin and Church membership, are necessary for salvation.  Your false doctrine that Baptism, the Church, and remission of sin are not necessary is condemned. 

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #699 on: August 07, 2017, 12:46:48 PM »
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  • You wish you had Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes.  You have nothing but supposition, if, maybe, possibly, hopefully, perhaps...all with the express desire to destroy the firm doctrine that Baptism, remission of sin and Church membership, are necessary for salvation.  Your false doctrine that Baptism, the Church, and remission of sin are not necessary is condemned.
    Back to the quotes since it is impossible to get into a rational discussion with a public feeneyite.
     COUNCIL OF TRENT (1545-1563)
    Canons on the Sacraments in General (Canon 4):
    “If anyone shall say that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation, but are superfluous, and that although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them (sine eis aut eorum voto), through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema.”
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #700 on: August 07, 2017, 02:06:17 PM »
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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #701 on: August 07, 2017, 02:08:19 PM »
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  • Father Leonard Feeney was excommunicated only for disobedience, not for going against the faith.

    Incorrect. The letter from the Holy Office in 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (here) clearly states, "Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities...". The circuмstances surrounding the excommunication were printed in an article in "The Catholic Advance" on February 27, 1953, which can be seen here. Pope Pius XII made three separate requests for Father Feeney to come to Rome. Clearly this meeting was to be about Father Feeney's denial of a Catholic doctrine, but when he did not show for the hearing, this was the final straw.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #702 on: August 07, 2017, 02:19:59 PM »
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  • Father Leonard Feeney was excommunicated only for disobedience, not for going against the faith.

    Incorrect. The letter from the Holy Office in 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (here) clearly states, "Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities...". The circuмstances surrounding the excommunication were printed in an article in "The Catholic Advance" on February 27, 1953, which can be seen here. Pope Pius XII made three separate requests for Father Feeney to come to Rome. Clearly this meeting was to be about Father Feeney's denial of a Catholic doctrine, but when he did not show for the hearing, this was the final straw.
    The church teaches Baptism is necessary for salvation. Period. 

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #703 on: August 07, 2017, 02:21:20 PM »
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  • The Magisterium of the Church
     
    In order to understand Baptism of Desire and Blood, Catholics must first understand what the Magisterium of the Church is, which is defined as "the Church's divinely appointed authority to teach the truths of religion". In other words, Our Lord gave His Church the authority to teach the faithful about what is expected of them. The Magisterium of Catholic Church teaches the faithful in two ways;

    1. Solemn Magisterium: Defined as Church teaching “which is exercised only rarely by formal and authentic definitions of councils or Popes. Its matter comprises dogmatic definitions of ecuмenical councils or Popes teaching "ex cathedra." (Definition from “A Catholic Dictionary”, 1951)
    Examples of the Solemn Magisterium would be decisions of any General Councils of the Church, or certain papal encyclicals, such as that defining the Dogma of the Assumption in 1950. Note that it is only in extraordinary circuмstances that the Catholic Church teaches in this manner, which historically has been to combat heresy. For this reason it is sometimes referred to as the “extraordinary magisterium”. For examples of the Solemn Magisterium, here is a list of all solemn teaching during the first 7 centuries of the Catholic Church:
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    ·     Council of Nicaea I (325): condemned the heresy of Arius, and defined the Divinity of the Son of God and the Nicene Creed.
    ·     Council of Constantinople I (381): condemned the heresy of Macedonius, and defined the Divinity of the Holy Ghost, confirmed and extended the Nicene Creed.
    ·     Council of Ephesus (431): condemned the heresy of Nestorius, and defined that there was one person in Christ, and defended the Divine Maternity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    ·     Council of Chalcedon (451): condemned the heresy of Eutyches (Monophysitism); declared Christ had two natures, human and divine.
    ·     Council of Constantinople II (553): condemned, as savoring of Nestorianism, the so-called Three Chapters, the erroneous books of Theodore of Mopsuestia and the teaching of Theodoret of Cyrrhus and Ibas of Edessa.
    ·     Council of Constantinople III (680-681): declared against the Monothelites, who taught one will in Christ, by defining that Christ had two wills, human and divine.
     
    Here we can clearly see that in the first 7 centuries of the Church, the Solemn Magisterium was not used often, and very little was solemnly defined. So at least 7 generations of Catholics lived and died during this time with very little solemn teaching by the Church. This is because the majority of what Catholics believe comes from the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church (see next).
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #704 on: August 07, 2017, 02:22:35 PM »
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  • The Magisterium of the Church
     
    In order to understand Baptism of Desire and Blood, Catholics must first understand what the Magisterium of the Church is, which is defined as "the Church's divinely appointed authority to teach the truths of religion". In other words, Our Lord gave His Church the authority to teach the faithful about what is expected of them. The Magisterium of Catholic Church teaches the faithful in two ways;

    1. Solemn Magisterium: Defined as Church teaching “which is exercised only rarely by formal and authentic definitions of councils or Popes. Its matter comprises dogmatic definitions of ecuмenical councils or Popes teaching "ex cathedra." (Definition from “A Catholic Dictionary”, 1951)
    Examples of the Solemn Magisterium would be decisions of any General Councils of the Church, or certain papal encyclicals, such as that defining the Dogma of the Assumption in 1950. Note that it is only in extraordinary circuмstances that the Catholic Church teaches in this manner, which historically has been to combat heresy. For this reason it is sometimes referred to as the “extraordinary magisterium”. For examples of the Solemn Magisterium, here is a list of all solemn teaching during the first 7 centuries of the Catholic Church:Here we can clearly see that in the first 7 centuries of the Church, the Solemn Magisterium was not used often, and very little was solemnly defined. So at least 7 generations of Catholics lived and died during this time with very little solemn teaching by the Church. This is because the majority of what Catholics believe comes from the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church (see next).
    Denial of Catholic dogma is never true.