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Offline anonymouscatholicus

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« Reply #755 on: May 28, 2025, 05:58:47 AM »
51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it. 
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #756 on: May 28, 2025, 06:42:13 AM »
Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on May 28, 2025, 05:58:47 AM
51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
I think you've got it entirely mixed up. Objectively, anyone who dies without baptism cannot be saved. That I know because it is Church teaching. Subjectively, I cannot apply that to any individual person because I have no idea what happened between them and God before their death, at the moment of death, or at their judgement. There is no way of knowing that and I have no right to know. How can I say with certainty that any single person was not, at some point in their life, baptised? I cannot. The debate about BOD or water-only Baptism is about the necessity of the sacrament in general, and should not be applied to any one person in particular 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #757 on: May 28, 2025, 07:46:31 AM »
Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on May 28, 2025, 05:58:47 AM
51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
Not true.  Plenty of people have changed their minds over the years.  
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Offline VivaJesus

Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #758 on: May 28, 2025, 09:27:53 AM »
Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on May 28, 2025, 05:58:47 AM
51 pages of one side never convincing the other. What percentage of trads on this forum will have to deal with this practically in their lives? I'd bet my last dollar that would be less than 0.1%. When you convert a pagan and God forbid he/she perishes before being baptised, then start a thread to discuss the practical implications of such situation. Until then worry about so many trads getting invalid sacraments without a bat of an eye about it.
From Fr. Feeney's Bread of Life:




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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #759 on: May 28, 2025, 10:51:30 AM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 27, 2025, 10:19:25 PM
"There can be no more fatal mistake than to soften, liberalize, or latitudinize this terrible dogma, 'Out of the Church there is no salvation,' or to give a man an opportunity to persuade himself that he belongs to the soul of the Church, though an alien from the body."

Orestes Brownson, Works, vol. 20, p.414

And some of you try and distort Brownson's writings to support your own deranged, unphilosophical, uncatholic, imaginary ideas about Catholic theology.

OA,

Who is this directed at? If this is directed at me, man up, and address me.

Thank you.
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