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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #745 on: May 24, 2025, 04:43:04 PM »
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Feeney lived in orthodox times. He lived in the 1940s. You can't make an argument based on the crisis in the Church today and apply it to those times, before the crisis existed.
:laugh1:  1940s to 1963...that's 20 years or less.  Where do you think the Modernists were prior to 1963?  They weren't living in caves.  They were running dioceses, like the modernist Cushing was.  Cushing wasn't a Cardinal, but he was supporting the V2 movement before V2 happened.

You obviously don't know of the modernist rot of the 'American ecclesiastical Review' books/theological committee in America in the 30s-60s either.  

Are you really arguing that V2 just happened overnight, with no preparation?  There was no brainwashing/PR which happened in the decades before?  This view makes no sense.

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« Reply #746 on: May 24, 2025, 04:49:31 PM »
:laugh1:  1940s to 1963...that's 20 years or less.  Where do you think the Modernists were prior to 1963?  They weren't living in caves.  They were running dioceses, like the modernist Cushing was.  Cushing wasn't a Cardinal, but he was supporting the V2 movement before V2 happened.

You obviously don't know of the modernist rot of the 'American ecclesiastical Review' books/theological committee in America in the 30s-60s either. 

Are you really arguing that V2 just happened overnight, with no preparation?  There was no brainwashing/PR which happened in the decades before?  This view makes no sense.
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You seem to consider the Church to be a human institution, and indeed one that lacks authority.

This is seriously erroneous. The Church is protected from teaching error in its universal teaching. It also requires anyone who writes on theological matters to submit their writings for approval to the authority of the Church, which enjoys divine protection from error, and to which we as Catholics are required to submit.

You are effectively claiming that someone can claim their bishop is a heretic and then consider himself dispensed from the laws of the Church. This is completely false.

In any case, if what Feeney taught were Catholic teaching, then he wouldn't have needed to write anything at all except to say, "Read Fr. So-and-so, a theologian who teaches that baptism of desire is heretical, or that someone can't be saved with baptism of desire." But he didn't. The reason is that, quite simply, there wasn't any theologian that the Church ever approved, at any point in her history even prior to the modernist crisis, who ever said such a thing. That's why Feeney had to write his own propaganda and claim it was the teaching of the Church.


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« Reply #747 on: May 24, 2025, 04:58:09 PM »
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Well, if the Church isn't going to give Feeney permission to write about something, then that means it's erroneous. This is pretty simple.

I've never heard of Fr. Mueller being silenced. He certainly wrote many, many books. Do you have a reference for that?

The Church teachers through her hierarchy. If the hierarchy denies something, then it is not a dogma of the Church.
https://catholicism.org/father-mueller.html

You can contact them for a direct citation if this isn't good enough, I've been meaning to myself. I assume they have had access to the letters in question 


And you do understand that the "Boston Heresy Case" had nothing whatsoever to do with BOD, right? It was about EENS and nothing more, which the "Catholic" teachers and teacher priests were explicitly denying

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« Reply #748 on: May 24, 2025, 05:26:17 PM »
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You seem to consider the Church to be a human institution, and indeed one that lacks authority.

This is seriously erroneous. The Church is protected from teaching error in its universal teaching. It also requires anyone who writes on theological matters to submit their writings for approval to the authority of the Church, which enjoys divine protection from error, and to which we as Catholics are required to submit.

You are effectively claiming that someone can claim their bishop is a heretic and then consider himself dispensed from the laws of the Church. This is completely false.

In any case, if what Feeney taught were Catholic teaching, then he wouldn't have needed to write anything at all except to say, "Read Fr. So-and-so, a theologian who teaches that baptism of desire is heretical, or that someone can't be saved with baptism of desire." But he didn't. The reason is that, quite simply, there wasn't any theologian that the Church ever approved, at any point in her history even prior to the modernist crisis, who ever said such a thing. That's why Feeney had to write his own propaganda and claim it was the teaching of the Church.
Ironic. Your claim that Fr Feeney wrote propaganda, is infact anti-Catholic propaganda, and most trads have fallen for it.

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #749 on: May 24, 2025, 06:03:16 PM »
You seem to consider the Church to be a human institution, and indeed one that lacks authority.

This is seriously erroneous. The Church is protected from teaching error in its universal teaching. It also requires anyone who writes on theological matters to submit their writings for approval to the authority of the Church, which enjoys divine protection from error, and to which we as Catholics are required to submit.
:facepalm:  Dude, your utopian view that an orthodox/traditional church is 100% free from error is not possible.  The ONLY person who is free from error is the Pope.  And that's not 100% of the time, but only certain times. 

If you think that the pope is spending his time reading/approving
a.  every docuмent, sermon, book, pamphlet, booklet, flyer, etc
b.  from every country
c.  from every state/region
d.  from every diocese
e.  from every cleric, monk, priest, bishop, etc

This is ludicrous.  It simply doesn't happen.

What happens is that a priest passes on his book to HIS LOCAL BISHOP.  And the Bishop approves/disapproves of it.  And...
a.  This approval is a negative approval,
b.  i.e. imprimatur = nothing is contrary to the faith
c.  An imprimatur doesn't mean it's 100% accurate, nor does it mean that the priest's opinion is accepted by the Church.
d.  Especially in regards to theological speculation...since the Church hasn't defined the answer, then the entire book is theory.

Just like AT THE TIME, St Thomas' view on the immaculate conception was allowed (because the doctrine hadn't been defined).  You can't retroactively say that St Thomas' book "contained error" because AT THE TIME, his views were allowed as theory.