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Offline Lover of Truth

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #705 on: August 07, 2017, 02:23:46 PM »
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  • The Dogma of Infallibility

    It is a dogma of the Catholic Church that the Church is divinely kept from the possibility of error in her definitive teaching on faith and morals.

    Definition of “Infallibility” from “A Catholic Dictionary”, 1951: "This infallibility resides (A) in the pope personally and alone; (B) in an ecuмenical Council subject to papal confirmation (these infallibilities are distinct but correlative); (C) in the bishops of the Church, dispersed throughout the world, teaching definitively in union with the pope. This is not a different infallibility from (B) but is the ordinary exercise of a prerogative (hence called the "ordinary magisterium") which is manifested in a striking manner in an ecuмenical Council. This ordinary magisterium is exercised by pastoral letters, preaching, catechisms, the censorship of publications dealing with faith and morals, the reprobation of doctrines and books: it is thus in continuous function and embraces the whole deposit of faith."

    The Catholic Encyclopedia (1917) in the article on Infallibility, states the same: "Three Organs of Infallibility: 1. the bishops dispersed throughout the world in union with the Holy See (exercised by what theologians describe as the ordinarium magisterium, i. e. the common or everyday teaching authority of the Church), 2. ecuмenical councils under the headship of the pope; and 3. the pope himself separately.

    So these definitions coincide with the magisterium definitions above.

    In other words, teaching from the Ordinary Magisterium continually occurs throughout the Church century after century, and the decisions of Popes and Councils (Solemn Magisterium) confine what is taught through the ordinary teaching. Both solemn and ordinary teaching of the Church are considered infallible by this definition. The infallibility of both Solemn and Ordinary Magisterium was solemnly defined by the First Vatican Council (1870) when it stated the following:

    "All those things are to be believed by divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the written Word of God or in Tradition, and which are proposed by the Church, either in solemn judgment or in its ordinary and universal teaching office, as divinely revealed truths which must be believed."

    In other words, both forms of the Magisterium of the Church (Solemn or Ordinary) are infallible and must be believed, according to this General Council. So if a teaching in the Church is universal, and allowed to propagate without condemnation from the Solemn Magisterium, it is considered infallible by the First Vatican Council. Next we provide examples of such teaching from both solemn and ordinary teaching of the Church on the subject of the threefold Baptism.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

    Offline JPaul

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #706 on: August 07, 2017, 06:09:19 PM »
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  • Or............Salvationoutsideofthechurch.com


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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #707 on: August 11, 2023, 06:50:03 AM »
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  • What is this thread I have stumbled into and why does it go from 2013 to 2017 and is 48 pages? I don't want to read all of this.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #708 on: August 11, 2023, 06:54:20 AM »
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  • What is this thread I have stumbled into and why does it go from 2013 to 2017 and is 48 pages? I don't want to read all of this.

    I think someone dug it up, because, at 48 pages, its the shortest Feeneyite thread of all time.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #709 on: August 11, 2023, 08:58:06 AM »
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  • What is this thread I have stumbled into and why does it go from 2013 to 2017 and is 48 pages? I don't want to read all of this.

    You should have let it die the death that it deserved and not bumped it :laugh1:  Mostly likely just the OP promoting his own website.  But the site itself is now dead, so perhaps the refutations of it here helped kill it and give it the death that it deserved also.


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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #710 on: August 11, 2023, 01:41:10 PM »
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  • What is this thread I have stumbled into and why does it go from 2013 to 2017 and is 48 pages? I don't want to read all of this.

    Just read Croixalist's post on this topic. Here, I'll make it easy for you:


    Show Posts - Croixalist (cathinfo.com)

    Go to pages 62 - 65 (I think that's the complete range) of his posts. Start with page 65 (and go back towards 62). There you will read his posts in the thread, and hear reason and sound understanding on the issue.

    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #711 on: August 11, 2023, 01:42:51 PM »
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  • Just read Croixalist's post on this topic. Here, I'll make it easy for you:


    Show Posts - Croixalist (cathinfo.com)

    Go to pages 62 - 65 (I think that's the complete range) of his posts. Start with page 65 (and go back towards 62). There you will read his posts in the thread, and hear reason and sound understanding on the issue.


    I'll make it even easier. Here's page 65:


    Show Posts - Croixalist (cathinfo.com)
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Baptismofdesire.com
    « Reply #712 on: August 11, 2023, 05:42:52 PM »
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  • I'll make it even easier. Here's page 65:


    Show Posts - Croixalist (cathinfo.com)

    So it's just a bod thread for 48 pages....