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Does anyone here contest the certainty that all who die justified are saved?

Uh oh.

But not I, SJ . . . if there are such.


Addendum:  My Adam A-hole is in rare form today; this time, it being stupid.


No. Anyone who dies baptized is saved.

Yeah . . . I read that 5 times now.

Amendment/Addendum.2:



I shoud have read it 6 times, at least:


Anyone dying justified is saved. 

Nowhere have I said that "God will permit those not baptized to be ushered off into some lesser heaven (or hell) through their faith alone." In order to be "justified," the sinner will have to be "washed" or have the desire to be "washed." That is what Section 6, chapter 4 says in paraphrase.

No, there is your error, that is not at what it says. It says justification cannot be effected without the laver or the desire. BODers like to read meaning into words that the words do not say - as you demonstrate.

Nowhere in the Canons on Justification does Trent mention the "sacrament of baptism." That is your invention. If what I say is untrue, produce the actual Canon on Justification with the anathema. As I have said, you resort to canons in Session 7 that do not refer to "justification" at all.

Session 7, canon 4: [If anyone saith] "without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema."

Where does it say with them or with the desire thereof men obtain justification?

I said "salvation" can have multiple meanings. I never said "damnation" has multiple meanings. And, I agree, "salvation" does mean "spending eternity in Heaven" (eventually) and "damnation means eternity in hell." However, some of us will take a detour to Purgatory before we get to Heaven. In one sense, those people in Purgatory are "saved" from "eternal damnation" but they are not "saved" from "the fires of hell" which cleanse the souls in Purgatory.
 

If an adult dies unbaptized, that person goes to hell. It's that simple. "If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous... let him be anathema."

In saying the sacrament of baptism is not necessary for salvation, you're saying saying the sacraments of the new law are not necessary for salvation - which Trent condemns.

If one can be justified without the sacrament, and because they never received the sacrament end up in hell for all eternity, that makes being justified without the sacrament at least altogether superfluous.

Can we at least agree on that?