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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2021, 05:26:34 PM »
OK, so we all agree that all who die justified are saved.

Next question:

Does anyone here believe only the (water) baptized can die justified?
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2021, 05:52:24 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on November 17, 2021, 04:21:08 PM
Angelus,

Sorry for the above. A lapse. I have some of Adam's A-hole in me.

Now . . . if you think an explicit desire for the sacrament is not necessary for justification, how has the requirement for justification changed "since the promulgation of the gospel"? That is the qualifier Trent throws on the requirement of the laver or the desire: it is required "since the promulgation of the gospel."

DR

DR, Following Aquinas here, I do think that "an explicit desire for the sacrament is not necessary for justification." Before the promulgation of the gospel, the transition only took place when Christ descended into Hell and liberated the Just from the limbo of the Fathers. Now, the transition can take place by the Sacrament of Baptism, BoD and BoB. Although the transition by BoD is not complete in the same way that the Sacrament of Baptism is.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2021, 06:15:36 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 17, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
OK, so we all agree that all who die justified are saved.

No.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2021, 06:16:46 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on November 17, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
If an adult dies unbaptized, that person goes to hell. It's that simple.

No, unless you define Limbo as part of Hell, as some do.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Baptismofdesire.com
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2021, 06:17:45 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 17, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
OK, so we all agree that all who die justified are saved.

Next question:

Does anyone here believe only the (water) baptized can die justified?

As for your second question, some here do hold that only those who have actually received the Sacrament can be justified.
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