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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptism of Desire not defined dogma, per theological consensus
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2021, 09:45:25 AM »

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Fr. Cekada, God rest his soul, wasn't a dogmatic sedevacantist.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:  Fr Cekada is the father of dogmatic sedeism in our times!!
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You have no credibility anymore.  I can't trust you know what you're talking about at all.
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Offline Mirari Vos

Re: Baptism of Desire not defined dogma, per theological consensus
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2021, 09:45:30 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 22, 2021, 08:37:08 AM
Hugh of St. Victor was WRONG.


Do you see a problem with this? I intend you no offense , but this is just plain pride. Sorry, I admit you are an intelligent person, smarter than I, but your pride clouds your reason. You are speculating against doctrine that has been held unanimously for 500 years. You are questioning a belief that ALL Popes, ALL bishops, and ALL theologians have agreed on, to one qualification or another, for half a millennia. The Church can’t do that. The Church CANNOT allow a false belief to be held by every Catholic for 500 years and not only say nothing, but actually promote it and defend it. This is very similar to what you accuse R&R people of doing.

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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: Baptism of Desire not defined dogma, per theological consensus
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2021, 09:58:42 AM »
@Pax Vobis. I've actually conversed with Fr. Cekada. Have you?

I know what Dogmatic SVism is, and completely disagree with it.

Unless someone has redefined the term, Fr. C was not a DSV in my opinion. 

You can agree or disagree with me just as you want about it.

It has nothing to do with the subject here. Catechisms have taught BOD as Church Teaching.

Manuals have taught BOD to seminarians, and all who became Priests would be familiar with it.

That includes those who went on to become Popes, Saints and Doctors. They have taught it too.

Give us examples of something Catholic Theologians have held to be de fide which was later heresy.

Did the Council of Trent teach BOD? Theologians are unanimous it did. Pope Bl. Pius IX says we must agree.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptism of Desire not defined dogma, per theological consensus
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2021, 09:58:45 AM »
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You are speculating against doctrine that has been held unanimously for 500 years

This is not proven at all. 
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MirariV, can you give us your definition of BOD, with examples, and we'll see if you and Xavier agree? 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptism of Desire not defined dogma, per theological consensus
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2021, 10:01:43 AM »
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@Pax Vobis. I've actually conversed with Fr. Cekada. Have you?

I know what Dogmatic SVism is, and completely disagree with it.

Unless someone has redefined the term, Fr. C was not a DSV in my opinion.

Fr Cekada was widely written on the topic.  What he wrote, he wrote.  I also have many, many, many (to fill a book) stories of friends who live in the OH area and have been (and still are) turned away from the sacraments by Fr Cekada and +Dolan for not being sede.  Their 'dogmatic sede' actions far, far outweigh anything Fr Cekada told you.
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I don't trust your audio/reading comprehension when it comes to your talks with Fr Cekada.  You have some sort of undiagnosed learning disability, or simply bad will.
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