Too bad even tridentine catechism did not manage to follow its dogmatic council of the same name it wished to call itsefl, but apparently failed miserably.
You are correct that we don’t have to hang on st Alphonsus alone. He is not the sole rule of faith, of course. Wish you could say same about Dimonds. I guess these great saints just wanted to make a fool of themselves knowing well what they wrote and just decided to give us their fallible heretical opinion so we can have something to talk about.
How about this:
Francisco Suarez, S.J. (1548-1617) cites St. Robert Bellarmine S.J. on Baptism of Desire in his 1602 work Opus de triplici virtute theologic, a Tractus de fide, Disp.XII, sect.4, n.22 : [As to] what is further added, that outside the Church there is no salvation, some say, as Cano, that this proposition is to be understood of the Church in general, as it always was, and not only of the Church, as it was specially instituted by Christ. But this response is unsatisfactory, both because the Church is always one, and also because the Councils really speak of this Church of Christ, and one must hold as true in some sense concerning it, that outside of it nobody is saved. Thus it is better to reply according to the distinction given between necessity in fact, or in desire [in re, vel in voto]; for thus nobody can be saved, unless he should enter this Church of Christ either in fact, or at least in will and desire. Bellarmine responds thus to a similar question. And it is manifest, that nobody is actually inside this Church, unless he is baptized, and yet one can be saved because the will to be baptized is sufficient, and likewise the will to enter the Church; thus we say the same of any faithful person who is truly penitent and is not baptized, whether he shall have come to explicit faith in Christ, or only to implicit faith : for by that faith he can have at least an implicit desire, which is sufficient with regard to baptism, as St. Thomas teaches in the aforesaid places.”
Is this good enough? All of them saints and doctors were just spilling ink giving us their erroneous fallible opinions, right? Lol
1917 Code of Canon Law
On Ecclesiastical Burial - (Canon 1239. 2)
"Catechumens who, through no fault of their own, die without Baptism, are to be treated as baptized."
The Sacred Canons by Rev. John A. Abbo. St.T.L., J.C.D., and Rev. Jerome D. Hannan, A.M., LL.B., S.T.D., J.C.D.
Commentary on the Code:
"The reason for this rule is that they are justly supposed to have met death united to Christ through Baptism of Desire."
Let me guess, first is opinion, second is wrong interpretation, and last 2 are fallible theologians. Maybe they even crept up as hidden modernists at the time?
But what else is new?
P.S. Lad, I wanted to say I’m proud of you. You almost managed the full post without an insult. Managed right there to the end. But improvement already. Keep it up.
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