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The Saints
« on: September 08, 2014, 04:50:16 AM »
St. Adrian
 While presiding over the torture of a band of Christians, St. Adrian asked them what reward they expected to receive from God. They replied, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him". He was so amazed at their courage that he publicly confessed his faith, though he had not himself yet been baptised. He was then imprisoned himself. He was forbidden visitors, but accounts state that his wife Natalia came to visit him dressed as a boy to ask for his prayers when he entered Heaven.

The next day his limbs were struck off on an anvil, and he was then beheaded, dying in the arms of Natalia. After he was killed, Adrian and several other martyrs were taken to be burned. When the executioners began to burn their bodies, a thunderstorm arose and the furnace was extinguished; lightning killed several of the executioners. Natalia had to be restrained to not throw herself on the fire when Adrian's body was being burned. Christians took Adrian's body and buried him on the outskirts of Byzantium, at Argyropolis.

Natalia went to live there herself, taking one of Adrian's hands which she had recovered. When she herself died, she was buried with the martyrs.

St. Adrian was the chief military saint of Northern Europe for many ages, second only to St. George, and is much revered in Flanders, Germany and the north of France.

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2014-09-08

Even though he was not baptized, he has been recognized as a saint by the Catholic Church for many years.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 05:57:53 AM »
Sorry.

He began to confess his faith while not yet baptized.  It does not say he was still unbaptized at the time of his martyrdom.  He was not allowed visitors no doubt because the persecutors knew that Christians always sought to get the Sacrament of Baptism to such as these.  Yet the account says that his wife snuck in.  I'm sure that while she was in there she didn't bother to spend 30 seconds to baptize him.

1) these early "canonizations" are not solemn and do not therefore stricly fall under the infallibility of the Church

2) accounts in the Roman matyrology are known to be sketchy and the Church has always been cautious about promoting these lest the Church be subjected to ridicule ... authorship unknown and veracity unknown, especially regarding specific details

3) this would refer to BoB and not BoD

So FAIL on every count, poche.


Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 06:02:38 AM »
If the Church honors anyone as a saint, according to her own teaching, the presumption must be that the saint was baptized.