Author Topic: Baptism of Desire and Blood: The Teaching of the Church (Read 16291 times)

SJB · « **Reply #80 on:** January 23, 2014, 01:30:31 PM »

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I know I am right of this, as I have ~~every authority in my side: Council of Trent, Popes, all approved catechisms, all of the Doctors of the Church~~, the theologians, and canon law.

There, that's more accurate.

Now you're just a liar.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #81 on:** January 23, 2014, 01:55:23 PM »

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Quote from: bowler
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I know I am right of this, as I have ~~every authority in my side: Council of Trent, Popes, all approved catechisms, all of the Doctors of the Church~~, the theologians, and canon law.

There, that's more accurate.

Now you're just a liar.

Does he have orthodox theologians and the 1917 code of canon law on his side?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #82 on:** January 23, 2014, 01:57:48 PM »

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Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5[/size]

Did Thomas Aquinas, Pius IX, Pius XII et al. miss this verse?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #83 on:** January 23, 2014, 01:59:33 PM »

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Quote from: St Magnus
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5[/size]

Did Thomas Aquinas, Pius IX, Pius XII et al. miss this verse?

It would really like an answer to this question from a good-willed intellectually honest person of the Feeneyite persuasion, as an accurate answer to the question plays an important role in solving the debate.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #84 on:** January 23, 2014, 02:30:45 PM »

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I've yet to see any magisterial statement condemning belief in Baptism of Desire as heretical. It's not like theologians haven't taught it for centuries, before Vatican II, without censure.

If it were an erroneous interpretation of the teaching on Baptism, there would have been a clear condemnation of it, explicitly. The Church had ample opportunity to muster up a condemnation before Vatican II happened.

Well stated.