Author Topic: Baptism of Desire and Blood: The Teaching of the Church (Read 16216 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #45 on:** January 21, 2014, 08:26:10 PM »

Nor has Ambrose ever addressed my arguments to the effect that Trent did NOT teach BoD. He simply keeps quoting Trent over and over and claiming that Trent taught it. Trent taught no such thing, and there's no such thing as BoD.

Binechi · « **Reply #46 on:** January 21, 2014, 08:33:38 PM »

Again I repeat....

Its all really very simple..

You either believe the words of Our Lord and Savior , or you don t .

He said in a very short and simple sentence, "Unless"

Unless you believe in my words, you cannot be with me in Heaven..

Unless is a very strong , definitive and "Final" word.

"[i]Unless you be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven".

The Alpha and Omega,,, The beginning and the end,, Baptism and Salvation.

There really is nothing else to discuss.

The choice is every individual s ..

You line up on the side of the words of God... or ...

The side of the retrobates

bowler · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2014, 08:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Nor has Ambrose ever addressed my arguments to the effect that Trent did NOT teach BoD. He simply keeps quoting Trent over and over and claiming that Trent taught it. Trent taught no such thing, and there's no such thing as BoD.

from another thread Amdro just started "The Three Baptisms, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer", I wrote:

Quote from: bowler

If a person posts an article one would expect that they could answer the questions the would arise, indeed, I would never post an article unless I knew the answers to all the questions that could arise. In the case of Amdro the man who started this thread, he has shown over a long period of posting copy and paste material from other authors, that he can't answer any questions, not a one. That he can't answer any questions, is indicative that he does not understand what he is posting. He is just posting articles by teachers that teach what he desired to believe. Don't expect to get any answers to details from Amdro, they will never come. All he does is repeat the same snippets from his articles by rote, like a parrot, never understanding what they mean or being able to explain them.

Alcuin · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2014, 01:01:03 AM »

Quote from: Alcuin

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Ambrose

You readily admit to dismissing the teaching of the theologians. Do you have any comprehension of what you are saying?

It is always a mortal sin to reject the teaching of the theologians when they are in consensus. In this case, the teaching, however is of a higher note, as Trent taught it, it is de fide.

Shameless Hypocrite! As a sedevacantist, you commit the mortal sin of rejecting the teaching of all the Church's bishops gathered in Council at Vatican II and universally teaching Religious Liberty, Ecuмenism, etc.

Yes, I have asked this question many times before. Ambrose dismisses the teaching of approved theologians since Vatican II and its aftermath.

He cannot name an approved theologian who agrees with his position. By his own words he condemns himself!

Further to above, Ambo's sedevacantist position is based on holding firm to official magisterial teaching and not the teaching of theologians. He in fact rejects all the approved theologians who are nearly totally unanimous in their acceptance of Vatican II. But he fails to apply the same principle when he discusses BOD.

clare · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2014, 03:36:33 AM »

Quote from: Director

Again I repeat....

Its all really very simple..

You either believe the words of Our Lord and Savior , or you don t .

He said in a very short and simple sentence, "Unless"

Unless you believe in my words, you cannot be with me in Heaven..

Unless is a very strong , definitive and "Final" word.
...

Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.