Author Topic: Baptism of Desire and Blood: The Teaching of the Church (Read 16204 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2014, 01:48:04 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

And I've pointed out that Trent cited this very passage as an amplification of the "without water or the desire" passage.

So either Trent is saying that justification cannot happen without water or the desire for it (which Trent attributed to the work of the Holy Ghost), for unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit ...

Or else Trent is directly contradicting Our Lord ... if taken the way the BoDers would have it understood, as an EITHER ... OR.

Also, if it's an EITHER ... OR, you're saying that one can be justified by receiving the Sacrament of Baptism even if you don't have the will for it ... which is also patently false.

Exactly. Well said.

Ambrose · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2014, 02:42:08 PM »

Quote from: clare

I'm sure the saints and theologians who taught BOD were aware of all that. And I'm sure the Church was aware of what they were teaching.

Yet there works were not corrected.

Perhaps because they didn't actually contradict Church teaching.

Only in the last 50 or so years, it seems, have folks taken issue with them.

Clare, you are partially right, no one was ever corrected for teaching Baptism of Desire and Blood.

But, what you are missing is the reason that they were not corrected. Baptism of Desire and Blood are the teaching of the Church and they must be believed by Catholics.

Every Catholic believed in Baptism of Desire and Blood. No Catholics ever, except for a couple hundred fell for this sophistry from the 1940's when the heresy was born, until the 1990's when the internet age took off.

The SBC and its promoters along with the Dimonds have skillfully used the mass media, mass mailings, videos, the internet, YouTube, etc., to bring life to this almost vanquished heresy that was on life support.

This heresy is spreading and Catholics better wake up to this fact.

Matto · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2014, 02:56:38 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Every Catholic believed in Baptism of Desire and Blood.

Okay, if this is true, tell me, how many of the church fathers believed in BOD. If as you say, every Catholic believed in BOD and BOB then all of the Church fathers must believe in it. Did all of the Church fathers teach BOD?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2014, 03:24:35 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Ambrose
Every Catholic believed in Baptism of Desire and Blood.

Okay, if this is true, tell me, how many of the church fathers believed in BOD. If as you say, every Catholic believed in BOD and BOB then all of the Church fathers must believe in it. Did all of the Church fathers teach BOD?

Oooh. Oooh. May I answer?

No, on second thought, I'll wait for Ambrose to declare (without any evidence of course) that BoD is the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers.

bowler · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2014, 03:48:31 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ambrose
Every Catholic believed in Baptism of Desire and Blood.

Okay, if this is true, tell me, how many of the church fathers believed in BOD. If as you say, every Catholic believed in BOD and BOB then all of the Church fathers must believe in it. Did all of the Church fathers teach BOD?

Oooh. Oooh. May I answer?

No, on second thought, I'll wait for Ambrose to declare (without any evidence of course) that BoD is the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers.

and that Christ taught it in scripture, and the Blessed Mother taught it at Fatima, and Bowler teaches it too.

Seriously, Amdro is just a pathological liar.