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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2021, 04:32:41 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 13, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
The SSPV, The Roman Catholic,  Fall 2003, p. 7: “With the strict, literal interpretation of this doctrine, however, I must take issue, for if I read and understand the strict interpreters correctly, nowhere is allowance made for invincible ignorance, conscience, or good faith on the part of those who are not actual or formal members of the Church at the moment of death.  It is inconceivable to me that, of all the billions of non-Catholics who have died in the past nineteen and one-half centuries, none of them were in good faith in this matter and, if they were, I simply refuse to believe that hell is their eternal destiny.”

This article/quote is reproduced on MHFM:
https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic/heretical-traditional-priests-sspv-salvation/#.YE01LJ1KiK8

So, this article/specific quote (from The Roman Catholic, SSPV, Fall 2003 issue) was apparently written by Fr Fenton, not Fr Cekada.  In addition, Fr Cekada left the SSPV in 1989, so he couldn't have possibly written this article for the SSPV in 2003.  I knew something was off about this accusation.

Granted, I am sure that some would still disagree with Fr Cekada's true position on BOD, but he NEVER said/wrote what has been attributed to him.  

It's time to set the record straight.  
It's not even Fr Fenton.  My apologies.  The author is someone named Francis Fenton.
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Offline Motorede

Re: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2021, 06:15:40 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 13, 2021, 04:32:41 PM
It's not even Fr Fenton.  My apologies.  The author is someone named Francis Fenton.
There was a Father Francis Fenton who founded, in the early days of the "resistance",  the ORCM (Orthodox Roman Cath. Movement). Lived in Connecticut, Monroe CT, I think. Bishop McKenna took over his chapel at Father's death.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2021, 06:23:07 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 13, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
The SSPV, The Roman Catholic,  Fall 2003, p. 7: “With the strict, literal interpretation of this doctrine, however, I must take issue, for if I read and understand the strict interpreters correctly, nowhere is allowance made for invincible ignorance, conscience, or good faith on the part of those who are not actual or formal members of the Church at the moment of death.  It is inconceivable to me that, of all the billions of non-Catholics who have died in the past nineteen and one-half centuries, none of them were in good faith in this matter and, if they were, I simply refuse to believe that hell is their eternal destiny.”

This article/quote is reproduced on MHFM:
https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic/heretical-traditional-priests-sspv-salvation/#.YE01LJ1KiK8

So, this article/specific quote (from The Roman Catholic, SSPV, Fall 2003 issue) was apparently written by Fr Fenton, not Fr Cekada.  In addition, Fr Cekada left the SSPV in 1989, so he couldn't have possibly written this article for the SSPV in 2003.  I knew something was off about this accusation.

Granted, I am sure that some would still disagree with Fr Cekada's true position on BOD, but he NEVER said/wrote what has been attributed to him.  

It's time to set the record straight.  
If it was not Fr. Cekada, he had at least 10 years to refute it. And even if he left the SSPV, they could still publish his quote, same as the SSPX still quotes Bp. Williamson. Nevertheless, the quote was in the SSPV publication, AND in my 25 years of experience with BODers, it perfectly describes, honestly decribes, admits, the position of 99% of BODers. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2021, 06:55:12 PM »
2Vermont, it doesn't matter who said it (i.e. Fr Cekada), what matters is the truth.  You are defending the person, while ignoring the error...a common female attribute.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2021, 08:49:27 PM »
There is no proof that Fr. Cekada made that comment and if you were MEN of good will you would retract it. If truth is what matters, then it should matter who said it since it is a lie to ascribe it to someone who didn't say it.

I made it clear that people would still disagree with his views on BOD, so no I wasn't even agreeing with his position.  In fact if anyone has been following my comments on this topic you would know that I lean towards more of a catechumen BOD.

But that particular quote he did not say. Even the Dimond Brothers don't ascribe it to him! Nowhere do I see any reference to him saying it other than in Last Tradhican's posts (and those who clearly wish to believe it).  
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