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  • And if you are waiting for an argument from me, don't hold your breath.  BOD in its true understanding has nothing to do with souls dying OUTSIDE the Church.  

    It, (BOD) has everything to do with souls eager to enter the Church but pass away too soon.  
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  • And if you are waiting for an argument from me, don't hold your breath.  BOD in its true understanding has nothing to do with souls dying OUTSIDE the Church.  

    It, (BOD) has everything to do with souls eager to enter the Church but pass away too soon.  
    The omnipotence of God is in question if someone passes away "too soon".  Funny how man is able to fulfill his obligation for bod, but God is unable to fulfill His end of the deal for Baptism.  This is the number one reason bod cannot possibly exist.  What an insult. 


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  • God fulfills which is why the Church teaches BOD, after all the Church is Christ!

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  • God fulfills which is why the Church teaches BOD, after all the Church is Christ!
    GOd fulfills which is why the Church says Baptism is necessary.

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  • GOd fulfills which is why the Church says Baptism is necessary.
    Do you also deny the Church teaching on General absolution. An absolution given without confession of sin, when confession is impossible, e.g., to soldiers on the battlefield Persons so absolved must in their next confession confess the sins from which they were absolved. Another historical example is the absolution given by Fr. William Corby to the Irish Brigade during the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863. 
    Disregard the Vatican II abuse of said teaching, as they abuse the doctrine on BOD also. 
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    (BOD) has everything to do with souls eager to enter the Church but pass away too soon.

    Instead of accepting the biblical truth that God truly, infallibly, and fully "wills all men to be saved", through the visible Church, men invent ways around this, because otherwise salvation is unexplainable.  And modern men can't stand the idea of not knowing something, which is simply, pride.

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  • Instead of accepting the biblical truth that God truly, infallibly, and fully "wills all men to be saved", through the visible Church, men invent ways around this, because otherwise salvation is unexplainable.  And modern men can't stand the idea of not knowing something, which is simply, pride.
    Look into the mirror and repeat the above.  
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  • The omnipotence of God is in question if someone passes away "too soon".  Funny how man is able to fulfill his obligation for bod, but God is unable to fulfill His end of the deal for Baptism.  This is the number one reason bod cannot possibly exist.  What an insult.
    This exactly. I believe the more a BOD is promoted, the more Almighty God is offended.  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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  • Do you also deny the Church teaching on General absolution. An absolution given without confession of sin, when confession is impossible, e.g., to soldiers on the battlefield Persons so absolved must in their next confession confess the sins from which they were absolved. Another historical example is the absolution given by Fr. William Corby to the Irish Brigade during the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863.
    Disregard the Vatican II abuse of said teaching, as they abuse the doctrine on BOD also.
    Non sequitur.  Baptism, since the promulgation of the gospel, is necessary for salvation, without exception. 

    "Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit"  --Jesus Christ. 
    Sooner men burn in hell than God is made a liar.      

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  • Do you also deny the Church teaching on General absolution. An absolution given without confession of sin, when confession is impossible, e.g., to soldiers on the battlefield Persons so absolved must in their next confession confess the sins from which they were absolved. Another historical example is the absolution given by Fr. William Corby to the Irish Brigade during the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863.
    Disregard the Vatican II abuse of said teaching, as they abuse the doctrine on BOD also.
    Question for all you BODers above?
    :popcorn:
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  • I'm not sure what General Absolution has to do with any of this.   :confused:


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  • I'm not sure what General Absolution has to do with any of this.   :confused:
    It works on the same principle as BOD properly taught is my understanding.
    Rare as is BOD these days but effective when properly given.  Meaning both the recipient is in need because death is imminent - both are in need of the Sacrament because of either mortal sin or original sin - both MUST BE GRACED WITH PERFECT LOVE - BOTH UNDERSTANDS THAT the SACRAMENT is required at a later time if death did not occur.
      
    Can. 960 Individual and integral confession and absolution constitute the sole ordinary means by which a member of the faithful who is conscious of grave sin is reconciled with God and with the Church. Physical or moral impossibility alone excuses from such confession, in which case reconciliation may be attained by other means also.
    Can. 961 ง1 General absolution, without prior individual confession, cannot be given to a number of penitents together, unless:

    1ฐ danger of death threatens and there is not time for the priest or priests to hear the confessions of the individual penitents;
    2ฐ there exists a grave necessity, that is, given the number of penitents, there are not enough confessors available properly to hear the individual confessions within an appropriate time, so that without fault of their own the penitents are deprived of the sacramental grace or of holy communion for a lengthy period of time. 
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    It works on the same principle as BOD properly taught is my understanding.
    Your understanding is wrong and contrary to Trent. 

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  • Your understanding is wrong and contrary to Trent.
    Don't bother to explain!   If you can!
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  • God fulfills which is why the Church teaches BOD, after all the Church is Christ!
    God fulfills, without the need for BOD because nothing is impossible with God.  Suggesting that God must break the water and Holy Spirit rule because someone might die on Him is absurd.