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Author Topic: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?  (Read 8932 times)

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There’s no one who isn’t retracting it.  We all retract it.  Future citations will be to “an article published by the SSPV”, just as we cite “an article published by the CMRI” entitled “The Salvation of those Outside the Church” — which I did look up. This is a case of a poster attributing it incorrectly and people repeating it without looking it up.  There was no malice here.  It’s even possible that Fr. Cekada quoted it in some other context that we can’t find, causing the original poster to believe it was his own.  Not sure how the mistake was made, but I doubt it was done on purpose.  Very few of us have the time to look up every single quote.  There are probably a dozen or more fake “sayings of Padre Pio” on the web that live on for the same reason.

When people cite it, it’s to demonstrate an IDEA that we contend is actually behind WHY most people end up being BoD zealots.  When you scratch beneath the surface, you almost always find that this sentiment is actually what drives it.  It’s to your credit that you’re honestly looking at this issue despite the fact that an implicit BoD would comfort you regarding your mother.  In this quote we have someone finally admitting this motivation honestly, which is why we keep referring to it.
I looked in my archives and could not find where I got that Fr. Cekada said that. It looks like the articles I had were all about Fr. Cekada defending the salvation of Muslims, Jҽωs, Hindus etc., and the SSPV article was tied to it, so over time I gave the credit for the quote to Fr. Cekada for his honesty, very unusual in a BODer. Anyone that goes back to all the times that I posted the quote will see that I complemented Fr. Cekada on his honesty. I now retract that complement. The complement belongs to someone named Fenton, who I never heard of.

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What!  How dare you to copy and paste!

He's just finally gotten fed up with the BoD spamming and said, "see, we can do it too."

Next time someone spams in those same 3 or 4 BoD quotes, I'm going to have my own copy-paste job handy.

See, I always take the time to give a thoughtful response and rarely spam, but I'm getting sick of wasting my time refuting the same crap over and over and over again.  I'm this close to joining the game.

I have half a mind to spam in the entire 300-page Dimond treatment of No Salvation Outside the Church.


He's just finally gotten fed up with the BoD spamming and said, "see, we can do it too."

Next time someone spams in those same 3 or 4 BoD quotes, I'm going to have my own copy-paste job handy.

See, I always take the time to give a thoughtful response and rarely spam, but I'm getting sick of wasting my time refuting the same crap over and over and over again.  I'm this close to joining the game.

I have half a mind to spam in the entire 300-page Dimond treatment of No Salvation Outside the Church.
Sorry if I offended you, but now you know how we feel.  It would be a better idea to spend your energy on converting all these infidels you worry about that are going to steal a place in heaven.  

It would be a better idea to spend your energy on converting all these infidels you worry about ...  
That is exactly why I am posting here, to show the infidels that what you are teaching is a lie from Satan, that the only tue religion is the Catholic faith, that to be saved they must become Catholics and really live the faith and die without one mortal sin on their soul, that even if they shed their blood for Christ they can't be saved unless they are Catholics and live in the sacraments. In short:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jҽωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire ..and that nobody can be saved, … even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Sorry if I offended you, but now you know how we feel.  It would be a better idea to spend your energy on converting all these infidels you worry about that are going to steal a place in heaven.  
Interesting that you honestly use the word infidels:

The Sacred Congregation of the Propagation of the Faith, under Pope St. Pius X, in 1907, in answer to a question as to whether Confucius could have been saved, wrote:

“It is not allowed to affirm that Confucius was saved. Christians, when interrogated, must answer that those who die as infidels are damned”.