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Author Topic: Baptism of Desire Advocates: Is faith in the Sacrament required for BoD?  (Read 8943 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Then it should be no problem to retract the false attribution.  But, for some reason, it is.

There’s no one who isn’t retracting it.  We all retract it.  Future citations will be to “an article published by the SSPV”, just as we cite “an article published by the CMRI” entitled “The Salvation of those Outside the Church” — which I did look up. This is a case of a poster attributing it incorrectly and people repeating it without looking it up.  There was no malice here.  It’s even possible that Fr. Cekada quoted it in some other context that we can’t find, causing the original poster to believe it was his own.  Not sure how the mistake was made, but I doubt it was done on purpose.  Very few of us have the time to look up every single quote.  There are probably a dozen or more fake “sayings of Padre Pio” on the web that live on for the same reason.

When people cite it, it’s to demonstrate an IDEA that we contend is actually behind WHY most people end up being BoD zealots.  When you scratch beneath the surface, you almost always find that this sentiment is actually what drives it.  It’s to your credit that you’re honestly looking at this issue despite the fact that an implicit BoD would comfort you regarding your mother.  In this quote we have someone finally admitting this motivation honestly, which is why we keep referring to it.

Offline Ladislaus

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For hundreds of years we had Catholic theologians and even one Pope falsely claiming St. Augustine as their authority for BoD whereas he clearly retracted his position ... as admitted even by Karl “αnσnymσus Christian” Rahner.  And this has been repeatedly demonstrated, but the BoDers will not retract citing Augustine as “proof” for BoD.

Lots of BoDers keep falsely keep claiming that the Church Fathers unanimously endorsed BoD when almost the opposite is true.  Fr. Laisney famously used ellipses to change the import of several quotes.  If there’s deliberate dishonesty here, it’s on the BoD side.  This was likely just a mistake, and those of us who perpetuated it retract it.


Offline DecemRationis

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Thank you DR.  Have a blessed Sunday!
And blessings to you, 2 Vermont. 

Offline DecemRationis

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For hundreds of years we had Catholic theologians and even one Pope falsely claiming St. Augustine as their authority for BoD whereas he clearly retracted his position ... as admitted even by Karl “αnσnymσus Christian” Rahner.  And this has been repeatedly demonstrated, but the BoDers will not retract citing Augustine as “proof” for BoD.


Well, I believe St. Thomas did cite St. Augustine as supporting BOD. That's pretty good company, and I think clears others who do so of any bad will in that regard - they likely simply rely upon St. Thomas.

That being said, the "retraction" speaks volumes. 

It would be a good idea to post the retraction here. If it's not handy to anyone, I'll look it up and post it if I find it. 

Offline DecemRationis

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Lots of BoDers keep falsely keep claiming that the Church Fathers unanimously endorsed BoD when almost the opposite is true.  

Too easy assumptions are a great enemy of truth. And they just get repeated over, and over, and over . . .

This is a major reason why the discussion and exchanges here are so valuable.