So if a person dies with supernatural faith in Christ and charity, you CM are going to condemn him to hell because he/she was unable to be baptized before death? You've gone so far in Feeneyism that you even condemn Feeney as a heretic. :pop:
Supernatural faith, you say. How exactly does one get that faith if they are outside of God's Church? There is no supernatural faith outside of God's Church. You have to be a member of the Church to be saved, and you have to be baptized to become a member of the Church. Period. The dogmas tell the truth.
Why does the church delay their baptism if the can go to hell if they die? isn't she endangering their salvation.
No. If the Church baptizes someone who is not ready to live a Christian life, they are baptizing them unto greater condemnation. The judgment for fallen away Christians is far greater than that for pagans, etc.
2 St. Peter 2:21: "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice, than after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them."
Furthermore, the Church needs to be sure that the catechumen believes rightly and does not hold to any errors or heresies before baptism, for the same reason.
So a cathechumen should deny Jesus if his life is in danger. since whether he denies him or not he will go to hell!
much better to apostesise and live since he can have an apportunity to get baptized and be saved!
So we are encoureging the greatest sin.
You cannot apostatize if you are not yet Christian. If someone is not baptized, then they are not in the Church. If someone persecutes you and says "Renounce your Faith or die!"
Not only would there be no sin in saying "I'm not a Christian" it would not even be a lie. A person is only Christian when they are made members of Christ's body. However if the same person said "I don not believe in Jesus Christ" then they are sinning and lying, because they have NATURAL belief in God, enlightened not by supernatural grace, but by natural reason.
Besides, would God allow one of His elect to slip through His fingers? That's what this all boils down to. God gets baptism to those whom He wishes to save.
Is anyone denying His ability to do this? Because you certainly are denying His words. Almost everybody is denying His Words, and saying that one is free to do so, just because a some people who are recognized as Holy have also done so. They even say that one decree from Trent means something entirely contrary to another, which is contrary to the following decree form Vatican:
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Chapter 4: "5. Even though faith is above reason, there can never be any real disagreement between faith and reason, since it is the same God who reveals the mysteries and infuses faith, and who has endowed the human mind with the light of reason.
6. God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth. The appearance of this kind of specious contradiction is chiefly due to the fact that either the dogmas of faith are not understood and explained in accordance with the mind of the Church, or unsound views are mistaken for the conclusions of reason.
7. Therefore we define that every assertion contrary to the truth of enlightened faith is totally false"
Baptism of desire and baptism of blood are heresy, contrary to dogma, lies, untrue, soul damning poison and totally false.
Please, please, please spit them out.
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