Author Topic: Baptism of Blood IS REAL!!!!!! (Read 23616 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:29:54 AM »

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/fr_feeney_catholic_doctrine.htm

Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:31:41 AM »

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What about those who are prevented from getting baptized, by force?
We had many of them here in past decades, many of them were killed for their faith, while they really wanted to be baptized. They couldn't receive this sacrament because of i#s#lami#cs laws of this land.

What do you think? Do you think God wants those souls to suffer in Hell with child molesters and rapists and devil worshippers?

Of course not. Remember at Our Lord's Crucifixion, when He told The Good Theif, "you will be with me in Paradise"

Where was the water?

What about the Holy Innocents?

Please don't listen to these posters making stuff up bout the Faith as they go along.

Vladimir · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:44:59 AM »

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Of course not. Remember at Our Lord's Crucifixion, when He told The Good Theif, "you will be with me in Paradise"

First of all, God can do what ever He wills, including working around His own laws. But He doesn't because God is Just as well. Jesus didn't need to be baptised, but He did anyways.

Second, I've already answered the question about the Holy Innocents. Technically, the Church did not begin until after the Resurrection, so the Good Thief went to the Limbo of the Fathers along with Christ and ascended into Heaven along with all the other Old Testament saints.

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You don't know who Fr. Feeney is? He was condemned by the Holy Office.

I have a vague idea, but I'm not aware of the details of all the controversy surrounding him. I just don't see any debate. There's absolutely no salvation outside the Church -- let's stop arguing so that we can bring more people into the Church.

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I recommend you read that link I posted above.

I will....although I will be wary, considering it is a link to a FSSPX site.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:47:28 AM »

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I will....although I will be wary, considering it is a link to a FSSPX site.

You should always be wary. Particularly of the Dimond brothers.

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:50:08 PM »

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, "Exultate Deo," Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra (reminder- this means infallible): "Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church. And since death entered the universe through the first man, 'unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,' as the Truth says, 'enter into the kingdom of heaven' [John 3:5]. The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water."

Nobody is found in the Catholic Church, who is not baptized. This is a dogma, to deny which is heresy. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, and as the very first quote in the original post relates, even those outside the Church who shed their blood for the name of Christ cannot be saved.

Holy Innocents and Good Thief:

Catechism of the Council of Trent, Baptism made obligatory after Christ's Resurrection, p. 171: "Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved.