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Offline roscoe

AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:44:36 PM »
Not being a theologian, i have stayed away from the BOD controversy but there is something in Among The Ruins by P Williams

He says that St Thomas did admit the possibility of BOD but apparently only for someone who lived BC..  :chef:
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 05:22:30 AM »
"I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

As we know, Trent infallibly judged that the sacrament of baptism is necessary for salvation, that whoever says the sacrament is optional, like Lover of Liberalism constantly does, is anathema.

Unlike Lover of Liberalism, the greatest theologian and Doctor, St. Thomas, by his own words, submits to this judgement.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 08:10:12 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on September 22, 2017, 05:22:30 AM
"I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


Yes, it's almost as if St. Thomas, by some divine inspiration, suspected that he had misfired on this point.

St. Augustine later regretted his theorizing / speculation about BoD and forcefully retracted it.

But God has allowed this theological mistake to become widespread, because without this there would never have been a Vatican II and a test of faith that God ordained for these times in the Church.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 08:46:33 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 22, 2017, 08:10:12 AM
Yes, it's almost as if St. Thomas, by some divine inspiration, suspected that he had misfired on this point.

St. Augustine later regretted his theorizing / speculation about BoD and forcefully retracted it.

But God has allowed this theological mistake to become widespread, because without this there would never have been a Vatican II and a test of faith that God ordained for these times in the Church.
Exactly.

By him saying: "if I ever expressed myself erroneously on this sacrament...." in and of itself, testifies with certainty that a BOD never was a teaching of the Church,  and 2) he was only speculating about a BOD.

The crazy thing is, I copied this from LoL's signature - just goes to show how heresy blinds a person.
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Offline roscoe

Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 01:53:16 PM »
The reason i posted this seems to have gone over everyone's head.

Apparently St Thomas only believed in the possibility of BoD for someone who lived BEFORE THE TIME OF JESUS...

Therefore anyone attempting to cite the Doctor as evidence for BoD existing AD has a nothingburger....

So far LOT(?) has not responded....

:chef:
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