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Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2017, 04:24:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 21, 2017, 04:12:35 PM

    Lover of Truth,
    What are the undenial facts from the infallible teaching of the Church? Just state them in your own words. Shouldn't be hard since they are so clear and "undeniable."

    Go.
    "Missed" it yet again.... kinda like that time very recently when he was caught in a blatant lie and disparagement of entire groups of people all at a go. "Good job."
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    Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
    « Reply #46 on: September 21, 2017, 07:32:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 21, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
    Oh, and you can add a running count under the quotation box: Repost #1, Repost #2 . . . or some such for more spice.

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    « Reply #47 on: September 22, 2017, 05:01:44 AM »
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    •  St. John of Damascus, Doctor of the Church (7th-8th Century): Exposition of the Orthodox Faith: "The seventh is baptism by blood and martyrdom, which baptism Christ Himself underwent in our behalf, He Who was too august and blessed to be defiled with any later stains."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
    « Reply #48 on: September 22, 2017, 08:02:21 AM »
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    « Reply #49 on: September 22, 2017, 08:27:25 AM »
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    •  Pope Innocent III (13th century): From the letter "Debitum pastoralis officii" to Berthold, the Bishop of Metz, Aug. 28, 1206: "You have, to be sure, intimated that a certain Jєω, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jєωs, immersed himself in water while saying: 'I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.' We respond that, since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as is clearly gathered from the words of the Lord, when He says to the Apostles: 'Go, baptize all nations in the name etc.," the Jєω mentioned must be baptized again by another, that it may be shown that he who is baptized is one person, and he who baptizes another...If, however, such a one had died immediately, he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament, although not because of the sacrament of faith."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
    « Reply #50 on: September 22, 2017, 09:17:28 AM »
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    « Reply #51 on: September 22, 2017, 09:20:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 22, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
    Pope Innocent III (13th century): From the letter "Debitum pastoralis officii" to Berthold, the Bishop of Metz, Aug. 28, 1206: "You have, to be sure, intimated that a certain Jєω, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jєωs, immersed himself in water while saying: 'I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.' We respond that, since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as is clearly gathered from the words of the Lord, when He says to the Apostles: 'Go, baptize all nations in the name etc.," the Jєω mentioned must be baptized again by another, that it may be shown that he who is baptized is one person, and he who baptizes another...If, however, such a one had died immediately, he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament, although not because of the sacrament of faith."

    I was waiting for this one, Lover of Heresy.  You see that the bolded section clearly condemns St. Alphonsus' speculation that people saved by BoD would still have Purgatory time to suffer.

    St. Alphonsus cited a letter of similar authority from Innocent II as making BoD de fide.  By application of his own criteria, then, St. Alphonsus himself taught heresy  in contradicting the above teaching of Innocent III.
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    « Reply #52 on: September 22, 2017, 09:28:51 AM »
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    • St. Recipicius, Nov 10, p. 1095: “During the reign of the emperor Decius, as Tryphon was preaching the faith of Jesus Christ and striving to persuade all men to worship the Lord, he was arrested by the henchmen of Decius. First, he was tortured on the rack, his flesh torn with iron hooks, then hung head downward, his feet pierced with red hot nails. He was beaten by clubs, scorched by burning torches held against his body. As a result of seeing him endure all these tortures so courageously, the tribune Respicius was converted to the faith of Christ the Lord. Upon the spot he publicly declared himself to be a Christian. Respicius was then tortured in various ways, and toggether with Tryphon, dragged to a statue of Jupiter. As Tryphon prayed, the statue fell down. After this occurredboth were mercilessly beaten with leaden tipped whips and thus attained to glorious martyrdom.”
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    Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
    « Reply #53 on: September 22, 2017, 10:16:10 AM »
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    « Reply #54 on: September 22, 2017, 12:33:33 PM »
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    • St. Pope Pius X (early 20th century): Catechism of Christian Doctrine (Catechism of St. Pius X):

    The Creed, Ninth Article, The Church in Particular: 29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation

    Baptism, Necessity of Baptism and Obligations of the Baptized: 17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way? A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.
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    Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
    « Reply #55 on: September 22, 2017, 01:37:10 PM »
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    • Catholic Encyclopedia (~1913): Baptism: Substitutes for the Sacrament: “The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis). However, only the first is a real sacrament. The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood.”

    Baptism: The Baptism of Desire: “This doctrine is set forth clearly by the Council of Trent. In the fourteenth session (cap. iv) the council teaches that contrition is sometimes perfected by charity, and reconciles man to God, before the Sacrament of Penance is received. In the fourth chapter of the sixth session, in speaking of the necessity of baptism, it says that men can not obtain original justice "except by the washing of regeneration or its desire" (voto).

    The Church: "Thus, even in the case in which God Saves men apart from the Church, He does so through the Church's graces. They are joined to the Church in spiritual communion, though not in visible and external communion. In the expression of theologians, they belong to the soul of the Church, though not to its body."
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    « Reply #56 on: September 22, 2017, 02:00:01 PM »
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    • Canon Law (1917): Canon 737: “Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.”

    Canon 1239: “Those who have died without baptism are not to be given ecclesiastical burial. Catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be counted among the baptized.”
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    « Reply #57 on: September 22, 2017, 02:14:04 PM »
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    •  A Commentary on the New Code of Canon Law (Augustine, 1918): Canon 737: "The Church has ever taught that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, - either really or by desire - and that consequently no other sacrament can be validly received without it."
    Canon 1239: "Baptism may be received by desire - baptismus flaminis - and this is generally supposed in those who had received instructions in the faith (catechumens)." [Note: "baptismus flaminis" is Latin for "baptism of desire"] 

    Canon 2258: "The relation of the individual Catholic to the body of the Church is sometimes styled external communion, whilst his connection with the soul of the Church is called internal communion. This latter communion is not per se severed by excommunication, as grace and charity can not be taken away by the penal sword of the Church, but are lost only through grievous personal guilt. And as this guilt can be repaired by perfect contrition, it may happen that one is excommunicated and yet lives in the friendship of God. Besides, faith and hope may coexist with mortal sin."
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    • CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.
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