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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2017, 11:25:46 PM »
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  • Gotta hand it to you, Frenchie: you guys really know how to throw a Revolution. Viva la France. Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and all that.
    Hey man, perhaps our enlightened Frankish confrere will be the one to finally state which dogma "Feeneyites" are in obstinate doubt or denial of? Alternately, maybe there's a new, by name, condemnation I must've missed along the way.

    Either way, and I don't know about you, but I'm all school-girl giddy in anticipation.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #31 on: September 23, 2017, 01:40:09 AM »
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    How is baptism (sacramental or otherwise) a truth of natural reason?

    How about the Trinity then?

    Don't answer that. It's heresy.


    Baptism is indeed a supernatural dogma, but since we know as Catholics that it is true, it is also a truth of natural reason that God will grant the effects of baptism when someone seeks to be baptized without being able to do so. If you think otherwise, then you are senseless.

    When Sister of the Nativity had doubts about the validity of her baptism and feared for her salvation, Our Lord reassured her and said that not only her baptism was valid, but that she would benefit from baptism of desire if it had not been valid.

    You do not understand anything about sacraments: God is free with his own laws, and when it is not possible to receive the sacraments, He can overcome that by granting the EFFECTS of the sacraments, which is the same thing as receiving the sacraments themselves.

    It has already been proved that F. Feeney was condemned by Pope Pius XII himself, but you are just like the Jansenists. You American guys have protestant minds, you make your own private opinions.

    As for the Trinity, I have already explained on this forum that when a pagan or a heretic is about to die, God or an angel can give him the knowledge of the Catholic dogmas so that he may be saved. In several Catholic encyclopedias, it is explained that one can belong to the soul of the Church while not belonging to her body. The theologians teach that we don't know the dispositions of the sinners (even pagans and heretics) when they die: hence it is impossible to presume their damnation. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church.

    See the life of Elder Paissos, who was not a Catholic, and tell me whether he was saved or whether he was damned. Do the same with the Coptic martyrs.

    Most of the so called "Catholic trads" are married men who live in carnal pleasure, and they believe that the "Orthodox" monks living in virtue are all damned while they are saved, living in pleasure.
    The baptism of desire and the baptism of blood are dogmas of faith and truths of natural reason: see the article of the New Advent Encyclopedia on baptism, and Catholic Essentials. Those who deny the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood,


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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #32 on: September 23, 2017, 01:52:55 AM »
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  • Baptism is indeed a supernatural dogma, but since we know as Catholics that it is true, it is also a truth of natural reason that God will grant the effects of baptism when someone seeks to be baptized without being able to do so. If you think otherwise, then you are senseless.
    Then I am senseless, so there is no point in further addressing me or any like is there?

    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #33 on: September 23, 2017, 02:16:18 AM »
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  • Gotta hand it to you, Frenchie: you guys really know how to throw a Revolution. Viva la France. Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and all that.
    Is it really our fault if we've less dummies in the states man?

    I mean, it's on France if she gets by working a corner on the globe, but why be so pissy with everyone else when she keeps needing shots?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #34 on: September 23, 2017, 03:24:10 AM »
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  • Gotta hand it to you, Frenchie: you guys really know how to throw a Revolution. Viva la France. Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and all that.
    Claims that it's heresy, which is the obstinate doubt or denial of something of divine and CAtholic faith, is of natural reason. See the problem, not that there's just one?

    Trying to make lemonade from lemons here.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #35 on: September 23, 2017, 06:37:37 AM »
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  • Claims that it's heresy, which is the obstinate doubt or denial of something of divine and CAtholic faith, is of natural reason. See the problem, not that there's just one?

    Trying to make lemonade from lemons here.
    Yeah, well, Voltaire was French. 

    And . . . 

                On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire.     
              One always speaks badly when one has nothing to say.
                                                                  Voltaire
    "[L]et us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is 'one God, one faith, one baptism' [Eph. 4:5]; it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry."

    Pope Pius IX, Singulari quadem

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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 09:25:17 AM »
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  • Yeah, well, Voltaire was French.

    And . . .

               On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire.    
              One always speaks badly when one has nothing to say.
                                                                  Voltaire
    I'd not read that, and Voltaire no less, credit and props where due.

    "Can't give what you don't have"

    Reality
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: AMONG THE RUIN & BOD
    « Reply #37 on: September 24, 2017, 10:34:58 PM »
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  • LoT(?) remains AWOL on this topic..... :ready-to-eat:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


     

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