Author Topic: All the NOers seem to be semi-pelagians... (Read 30465 times)

Augustinian · « **Reply #135 on:** January 10, 2012, 05:06:15 AM »

Canon 1325 §1: "The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circuмstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor."

(Translated here: http://www.olmhtchurch.org/Church/1stCommandment.html)

Answer this question or get out of this thread and stop pretending to be in a place to ask me questions:

Do you believe that babies who die without baptism are guiltless, free of punishment, blissful, and in the presence of God?

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #136 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

[Unlike you, I believe in the infallible teachings of the Church, including the first Vatican Council.

... you know you hold to Pelagian heresies.

In fact I believe all the infallible teachings of the Church and I hold to no heresies.

You sow discord among traditional Catholics. You are disruptive, divisive, impious and rash.

You despise Saints and the Catholic Church's pronouncements on them.

YOU are suspect.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #137 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:06:53 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

Canon 1325 §1: "The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circuмstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor."

(Translated here: http://www.olmhtchurch.org/Church/1stCommandment.html)

Answer this question or get out of this thread and stop pretending to be in a place to ask me questions:

Do you believe that babies who die without baptism are guiltless, free of punishment, blissful, and in the presence of God?

You sure are presumptuous. The Canon you quote does not apply to the the situation at hand concerning me.

I have not acted in a manner which implicitly amounts to a denial of the faith. On the contrary I have explicitly professed that I am a Roman Catholic.

Even though you presume to, you can't arrogate any authority to demand that anyone gets out of this thread or any other thread.

But what is a much more grevious matter is that you have manifested that you have a contempt of the Church by despising Saints and Popes that have been declared infallibly by Holy Church to be worthy of veneration.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #138 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:32:15 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

Thomas held several heretical beliefs, some of which were heretical prior to his birth (ex: Pelagianism) and some of which were heresy only after his death (ex: denial of the Immaculate Conception).

Further proof that it is not a "given" that St Thomas Aquinas denied the Immaculate Conception, is found in the following survey of the opinions of theologians on this question, from Volume VI, "Mariology", of Pohle-Preuss, Dogmatic Theology (12 volumes) Herder 1953, page 67:

"5. The Teaching of St Thomas --- Theologians are divided in their opinion as to what was the mind of St Thomas in regard to the Immaculate Conception. Some frankly admit that he opposed what in his day was not yet a defined dogma, but insist that he virtually admitted what he formally denied. Others claim that the Angelic Doctor expressly defended the Immaculate Conception and that the (about fifteen) adverse passages quoted from his writings must be regarded as later interpolations. Between these two extremes stand two other groups of theologians, one of which holds that St Thomas was undecided in his attitude towards the Immaculate Conception, while the other merely maintains the impossibility of proving that he opposed it."

Full article here: http://www.sedevacantist.net/stthomas/StThomas&IC.htm

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #139 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:43:24 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

Canon 1325 §1: "The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circuмstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor."

(Translated here: http://www.olmhtchurch.org/Church/1stCommandment.html)

Answer this question or get out of this thread and stop pretending to be in a place to ask me questions:

Do you believe that babies who die without baptism are guiltless, free of punishment, blissful, and in the presence of God?

Why wouldn't the Athanasian Creed suffice?

The church you linked to above seems to think it would be a suitable profession of Faith.

BTW your question is defective and unsuitable for your aims, but I am not going to help you fix it because I do not want to aid you in your cause.