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All the NOers seem to be semi-pelagians...
« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2012, 03:08:21 AM »
Quote from: Augustinian


I'm not an official Inquisitor in the "court of the Inquisition" sense, no. I am an inquirer and defender of the teachings of the Catholic Church, as all Catholics are supposed to be.


You appear to be an interrogator who also clearly despises at least one Saint and at least one Doctor of the Church.

All the NOers seem to be semi-pelagians...
« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2012, 03:18:58 AM »
Quote from: Augustinian


 Men like Bonaventure, Scotus, and Thomas departed from the spirit and intentions of the founders of these orders. Sitting in a university babbling about metaphysics and the cosmos is exactly the opposite of what St. Dominic and St. Francis envisioned for their orders.



Is that SAINT Thomas and SAINT Bonaventure whom you are attacking and  accusing of babbling?

Is "Pius X" SAINT Pius X?



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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2012, 03:29:24 AM »
Quote from: Roman Catholic
I neglected to answer your interrogation in the manner you wanted.


It was really a simple (set of) question(s) regarding your faith. Either you believe the unbaptized are innocent, in bliss, and in the presence of God, or you don't.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
I can recite any creed of the Catholic Church.


So can the Anglicans and the Lutherans. They recite the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. But do they recite them honestly?

Quote from: Roman Catholic
I do not need to submit to you or answer you in the manner that you demand.


What you're basically saying is that no one has a right to ask you whether or not you believe in heresies which you appear to be defending. Your refusal to answer is more than enough to condemn you, just like Jan Hus. If you have nothing to hide, then you wouldn't have any problem admitting your belief.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
Why don't you refer to him as Saint Thomas?


For the same reason you don't refer to Blessed John Paul II and Saint Josemaria Escriva.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
Do you believe he is a canonised saint and a Doctor of the Church?


Obviously he was canonized.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
The church did not comndemn St Thomas of heresy. Who cares if you or others did and do?


Actually it did. Have you ever read any book on him or on ecclesiastical history? In his works were found several heresies and they were condemned in 1277.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
You have already been exposed for numerous errors in this thread alone. You even have been corrected on some of them by Catholics here (including some corrections by a sympathizer of yours). Any reasonable Catholic would do well to place their trust in St Thomas rather then the likes of you.


Latter-day Pelagianism has been exposed numerous times in this thread. If the majority doesn't accept it, including you, that's their (and your) regrettable decision. Truth is not a democracy. And good thing it isn't, since it's so unpopular. You and the sympathizers of Pelagius have also been corrected many times, and you ignore the corrections, as if they didn't happen. Particularly that one guy who quoted the catechism which explicitly teaches that there is a middle place. A reasonable Catholic places his faith in what is the proximate rule of faith. The proximate rule of faith is the dogmatic teachings of the Church, not Thomas Aquinas and not catechisms. If Thomas Aquinas and catechisms were the proximate rule of faith, then the faith would be contradictory, schizophrenic, and opposed to the infallible councils.

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« Reply #118 on: January 10, 2012, 03:40:33 AM »
Quote from: Augustinian


Quote from: Roman Catholic
Why don't you refer to him as Saint Thomas?


For the same reason you don't refer to Blessed John Paul II and Saint Josemaria Escriva.

Quote from: Roman Catholic
Do you believe he is a canonised saint and a Doctor of the Church?


Obviously he was canonized.



Do you believe in the validity and infallibility of the canonisations, of St. Thomas Aquinas, St Bonaventure, St Albert The Great, and St Pius X?

Do you believe that Holy Church legitimately and correctly bestowed the title Doctor (of the Church) on St Thomas Aquinas and St Albert the Great?

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« Reply #119 on: January 10, 2012, 03:42:38 AM »
Quote from: Augustinian


So can the Anglicans and the Lutherans. They recite the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. But do they recite them honestly?



I recite them honestly.