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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #45 on: Today at 04:38:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 03:16:21 PM
    The fruits are not to be seen/measured according to all people, because the sspx (just like the catholic church) is made up of flawed, sinful individuals.  The fruits are to be seen in exemplary individuals, but most importantly, in the Truth/doctrine.  That is, that priests/families are willing to sacrifice x, y and z to protect, (attempt to) build Tradition, build schools, build chapels/convents, in hopes that Tradition will survive.  The struggle/desire/work is proof that Tradition is worth keeping.

    In other words, there was a story of a protestant who was serious about catholicism.  He visited Rome in the mid 1800s, admist all sorts of Vatican scandals, etc.  He returned and shocked his friends by his decision to convert.  He said, "If the Catholic Church can survive all of the turmoil, scandals, and lukewarm individuals I met in Rome, then surely it only exists because God is keeping it going.  Therefore, it must be of Divine origin."
    Thanks for that glimmer of hope.

    I guess the time period you exist in always feels worse than the time period others exist in.  I can honestly say though, I wouldn't want to see my loved ones being eaten by animals.
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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #46 on: Today at 04:46:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 11:02:33 AM
    Yeah, and that catechism is a DIRECT contradiction of Trent, which tells us that NO ONE can have supernatural virtues of faith, hope or love BEFORE baptism.  It is heresy to say that a person can desire God in the manner that God deserves to be desired (i.e. a perfect act of love) unless God gives this person the grace to do so.  And this grace (i.e. perfect love of God) is called the supernatural virtue of charity, which can only be gotten through baptism.

    One can have imperfect Faith before Baptism.  One can have imperfect love of God before baptism.  NO ONE can have supernatural/perfect Faith or Love UNTIL Baptism.  Because baptism is the FIRST TIME one receives the 3 theological virtues - faith, hope and charity. 

    You cannot "will yourself" to heaven.  This catechism is just like the "faith alone saves" protestant heresy, except it is called "love alone saves".
    You don't know what you're talking about. 
    When did that supernatural love of God begin?  It wasn't needed until Christ died?  Or was it just before Christ's death? Was Abraham's love of God only natural? Was David's love of God only natural?  Shouldn't a statement like that be True always?  I think I am missing something.  Faith, Hope, and Charity only existed in the times after Christ?  :confused:
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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #47 on: Today at 04:59:25 PM »
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    • I read the Boston Heresy Case, Fr. Feeney's.  Fr. Feeney defended the Faith!  His adversaries were of the Church.  Very sad but very true.  Fr. Feeney defended the family, when youth were leaving the Faith, and Parent's morned.  Fr. Feeney saw that EENS was being attacked and watered down.

    He Defended the Faith! He defended God's family.  Fr. Feeney obeyed God.  Thank God that he woke us up to the destruction of the Church. than you WorldsAway for your post.
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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #48 on: Today at 05:11:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on Today at 04:46:00 PM
    When did that supernatural love of God begin?  It wasn't needed until Christ died?  Or was it just before Christ's death? Was Abraham's love of God only natural? Was David's love of God only natural?  Shouldn't a statement like that be True always?  I think I am missing something.  Faith, Hope, and Charity only existed in the times after Christ?  :confused:
    Supernatural love of God cannot be attained by any person.  It’s a gift of God; it’s a grace.  It exists when GOD GIVES IT TO US, at baptism.  

    I don’t know if the Old Law provided the supernatural virtue of charity.  That’s besides the point.  

    Under the new law, it is INFALLIBLY true that no one attains this virtue except through baptism.  
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