Yeah, and that catechism is a DIRECT contradiction of Trent, which tells us that NO ONE can have supernatural virtues of faith, hope or love BEFORE baptism.  It is heresy to say that a person can desire God in the manner that God deserves to be desired (i.e. a perfect act of love) unless God gives this person the grace to do so.  And this grace (i.e. perfect love of God) is called the supernatural virtue of charity, which can only be gotten through baptism.

One can have imperfect Faith before Baptism.  One can have imperfect love of God before baptism.  NO ONE can have supernatural/perfect Faith or Love UNTIL Baptism.  Because baptism is the FIRST TIME one receives the 3 theological virtues - faith, hope and charity. 

You cannot "will yourself" to heaven.  This catechism is just like the "faith alone saves" protestant heresy, except it is called "love alone saves".

I don't believe that any Catholic believes that. 

You don't know what you're talking about.  

I'll tell you more: Saint Athanasius was excommunicated several times. Should he have obeyed the authorities in everything?
Many other saints were persecuted and excommunicated. (Saint Columba, saint Joan of Arc, etc.) We obey God first, not people.

I also want to ask you. Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre was a great man if he disobeyed Rome and was excommunicated? I suppose so. If you truly believe Archbishop Lefebvre had the right to do so, then you must put forward other arguments against Father Feeney.

The fruits of these Saints are seen.We understand them as Catholics.  I do not see good fruits of Father Feeney or Archbishop Lefebvre (maybe they haven't happened yet) but I am not going to just fight people on this topic because I am frustrated and angry that people do not see the situation as I see it.  I see many people do this.

  +ABL was excommunicated, hello?  And by your own admission, you think JP2 was a legit pope.  So +ABL's excommunication was WORSE because Fr Feeney simply ignored a court request, while +ABL ignored MULTIPLE summons to rome and ultimately committed graves sins against canon law due to ordinations.

I think you have me confused with someone else.  I don't believe JP2 was a legit pope.  The Assisi prayer meetings solidified that for me.  I don't trust anything after V2.  

As for +ABL, he thought JP2 was his authority,  so yes I do not agree with his disobedience either.

"Please, be quiet" would have been a more civil approach. 

  I still would like to see a list of Saints that were disobedient to their superiors.  

Requesting a list of "disobedient" saints is disingenuousness. Why don't you provide a list of saints who died failing to profess the Truth when it was necessary to do so. If you cannot, then shut up. Every single foundational Traditionalist was "disobedient", 

The fact that the fruits of these discussions are full of so much anger and lack charity make me think they lack approval from God

Same can be said for every point of contention in Traddieland, ever. 

If their is proof from the past, then I would be more likely to look at Father Feeney's actions differently.

So whether or not you will consider what Fr. Feeney said solely relies on there being a precedent of saints disobeying their superiors? You're ridiculous. Good day

I do not see good fruits of Father Feeney or Archbishop Lefebvre (maybe they haven't happened yet)

You don’t see any good fruits of +ABL and the sspx?  ????  What!?

I thought that is how people who are looking to understand the law look for precedent.  I think this disobedience question is very important.  You men, want wives to be obedient to their spouse because it was set up by God.  Well apply this to Father Feeney and +ABL.  We are in the Crisis due to many different forms of disobedience. I just think that until we apply that across all forms of master/servant relationships, God will not restore Catholicism. Just my observation no one has to even pay any attention to me.

Saint Athanasius also lived in times of crisis and did not obey when the truth was being attacked. And yes, I think all men here recognize that a woman should not obey her husband in sinful matters. So Father Feeney also should not have obeyed when his authorities attacked the truth.

Saint Athanasius also lived in times of crisis and did not obey when the truth was being attacked. And yes, I think all men here recognize that a woman should not obey her husband in sinful matters. So Father Feeney also should not have obeyed when his authorities attacked the truth.

Did St. Athanasius ordain Bishops? Did St. Athanasius accept the consequences of his disobedience?  These things matter.  Did Father Feeney? Did +ABL?  

These are tough times and no one but God knows the Truth.

This is why the sedevacantists and sedeprivationists, first decide that the Novus Ordo Popes don't have authority, then they do what they need to do to keep the Church alive.

I know this is just my perspective and I very well could be wrong.

I just don't think there is an easy answer and if you think you are right, you are probably wrong.  

God will eventually make this all clear.

(And yes my thoughts and feelings are all over the place, but I think most people are just as frustrated as I am, and only want to figure out how to please God)