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Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2026, 11:02:33 AM »
Yeah, and that catechism is a DIRECT contradiction of Trent, which tells us that NO ONE can have supernatural virtues of faith, hope or love BEFORE baptism.  It is heresy to say that a person can desire God in the manner that God deserves to be desired (i.e. a perfect act of love) unless God gives this person the grace to do so.  And this grace (i.e. perfect love of God) is called the supernatural virtue of charity, which can only be gotten through baptism.

One can have imperfect Faith before Baptism.  One can have imperfect love of God before baptism.  NO ONE can have supernatural/perfect Faith or Love UNTIL Baptism.  Because baptism is the FIRST TIME one receives the 3 theological virtues - faith, hope and charity. 

You cannot "will yourself" to heaven.  This catechism is just like the "faith alone saves" protestant heresy, except it is called "love alone saves".

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I don't believe that any Catholic believes that. 
You don't know what you're talking about.  
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Offline Gray2023

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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2026, 11:25:55 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on January 27, 2026, 07:41:00 AM
Please, shut up. Fr. Feeney was obedient to the Truth
"Please, be quiet" would have been a more civil approach.  The fact that the fruits of these discussions are full of so much anger and lack charity make me think they lack approval from God.  I still would like to see a list of Saints that were disobedient to their superiors.  If their is proof from the past, then I would be more likely to look at Father Feeney's actions differently. 
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Offline Gray2023

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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2026, 11:33:33 AM »
Quote from: Russiantrad on January 27, 2026, 07:52:44 AM
I'll tell you more: Saint Athanasius was excommunicated several times. Should he have obeyed the authorities in everything?
Many other saints were persecuted and excommunicated. (Saint Columba, saint Joan of Arc, etc.) We obey God first, not people.

I also want to ask you. Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre was a great man if he disobeyed Rome and was excommunicated? I suppose so. If you truly believe Archbishop Lefebvre had the right to do so, then you must put forward other arguments against Father Feeney.
The fruits of these Saints are seen.We understand them as Catholics.  I do not see good fruits of Father Feeney or Archbishop Lefebvre (maybe they haven't happened yet) but I am not going to just fight people on this topic because I am frustrated and angry that people do not see the situation as I see it.  I see many people do this.
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Offline Gray2023

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2026, 11:36:01 AM »
Quote from: Russiantrad on January 27, 2026, 07:57:40 AM
It sounds a bit harsh, but you're right. For example, no one has yet been able to explain to me how the Church dogmatized BoD/BoB. Everyone draws different boundaries for salvation without baptism or even salvation outside the Church.
My guess is that it all started breaking down in the 1500s when protestants were baptizing people into essentially heresy.
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Offline Gray2023

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2026, 11:39:56 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 27, 2026, 08:22:20 AM
:facepalm:  +ABL was excommunicated, hello?  And by your own admission, you think JP2 was a legit pope.  So +ABL's excommunication was WORSE because Fr Feeney simply ignored a court request, while +ABL ignored MULTIPLE summons to rome and ultimately committed graves sins against canon law due to ordinations.
I think you have me confused with someone else.  I don't believe JP2 was a legit pope.  The Assisi prayer meetings solidified that for me.  I don't trust anything after V2.  

As for +ABL, he thought JP2 was his authority,  so yes I do not agree with his disobedience either.
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