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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:21:23 AM »
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  • :facepalm: :facepalm:

    What pathetic seminary did this bad-willed incompetent train at?

    So ... I ran through this at triple speed.  Of course, he worships "Suprema Fake", castigates Father Feeney for "disobedience" (since evidently his heretical superiors were exceptions to manifest heresy stripping them of authority), then adds to it a transmogrifying of EENS from no salvation outside the Church to no salvation except by means of or through the Church, which is in fact Karl "Anonymous Christian" Rahner's teaching, despite his denial of it.  Of course he distorts Rahner's "Anonymous Christian" teaching to distance himself from it (falsely) by claiming Rahner meant by this that everyone is an "Anonymous Christian".  He does in fact precisely believe the same thing Rahner does.

    He claims that the reception of Baptism if necessary by necessity of precept rather than necessity of means, and then likens it to the necessity to receive Holy Commuinion.  Utterly false.  Even the manualists reject this crap.  Baptism is taught to be necessary by necessity of means, whereas Holy Communion is considered necessary by necessity of precept and by moral necessity.

    In this, he contradicts even his own mentor, Bishop Sanborn, or maybe he was asleep in class that day (this is from +Sanborn's Anti-Feeneyite :
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    2. How necessary is baptism?

    Baptism is necessary for infants as a means of salvation; for adults, it is necessary both as a means of salvation and as being of divine precept

    So, no Father, Baptism is necessary by necessity of MEANS, for salvation, not just of precept, as you teach error and lies from the pulpit.  Even your mentor understands this.  Go back to school for remedial training please.  Father Dutertre makes up some nonsense about how Baptism is necessary by necessity of precept, while the desire for Baptism is necessary by necessity of means.

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia:  "Baptism is held to be necessary both necessitate medii (means) and præcepti (precept)."

    Of course, may that's not such a good idea.

    +Sanborn:
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    5. Is baptism absolutely necessary?

    Baptism is not absolutely necessary ...

    Catechism "of Pope St. Pius X" (in quotes due to this being a misnomer) ...
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    Q1: Is Baptism necessary to salvation?

    A1: Baptism is absolutely necessary to salvation, for our Lord has expressly said: ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.’

    What is it about this dogma that causes otherwise-fairly-intelligent men to lose their wits, and then bumble, fumble, and stumble, from one self-contradiction and error to the next? ... to say nothing of the abject lies?

    In one sense, however, Fr. Dutertre is correct, since these Anti-Feeneyites DO in fact hold that the Sacrament is only necessary by necessity of precept, whereas the desire is necessary by necessity of means.  He accurately characterizes the Anti-Feeneyites position ... except of course that he contradicts both the manuals and Bishop Sanborn.



    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #16 on: Today at 01:29:47 AM »
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  • I think I need to start a Substack called "Clerical Error".

    I've tried, and now I'm just tired of it, fed up with the error, the lies, the heresy, the gaslighting, the personal attacks, the lack of sincere seeking for truth, the constant motivation of petty agendas.  This isn't about disagreement, as their lies and contradictions are blatant and obvious for all to see.

    They slander "Feeneyites" as heretics, non-Catholics, Pharisees, people who judge others (funny coming from Sedevacantists, no?), etc. etc.

    What a joke Traddism has become.

    Nothing remains but to take off the gloves.  Come get some.





    Offline Russiantrad

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #17 on: Today at 05:19:15 AM »
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  • If God does send us a holy Pope, that Pope will certainly canonize Father Feeney and establish his feast day on February 18th. :pray:
    Father Feeney was the Saint Athanasius of the 20th century, whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #18 on: Today at 05:27:51 AM »
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  •  his feast day on February 18th
    February 18th is the feast of Saint Simeon, so February 19th or another nearby feria-day

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #19 on: Today at 06:40:06 AM »
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  • I have no problem being banned, so allow me ... it's just a 
    Technically not ALL sedes since the Dimonds are sedes who believe the dogma. As for nearly everyone else, are they formal or material heretics?

    Also I will point out, when watching the older Dimond videos they were more 'harsh' than their newer videos. I think this is due to getting fed up with trads not caring for the truth and ignoring infallible doctrine when presented with it. They even called many priests to talk to them about the dogma (there are videos and voice recordings) and most responded quite poorly. I can see and even feel the frustration as I have the same problem, as are you, almost nobody seems to care about the most important issue effecting the Church. Instead they care more about petty squabbles like the liturgy or the Pope question (big but not as vital as the fundamental dogma eens with V2) or other stuff that frankly can be fixed once trads can agree on EENS and baptism. First things come first.

    Psalm 80
    14 If my people had heard me: if Israel had walked in my ways 15 I should soon have humbled their enemies, and laid my hand on them that troubled them.

     12 But my people heard not my voice: and Israel hearkened not to me 13 So I let them go according to the desires of their heart: they shall walk in their own inventions

    60 years on and the crisis has only gotten worse. Because trads REFUSE to hear the voice of the Lord.


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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #20 on: Today at 06:57:00 AM »
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  • Consequently, during this Second Sifting, we see neo-SSPX following almost step by step the exact same path that the Church took in the 1950s as Catholics move inexorably toward Vatican II, and it's just a matter of time when they go "Full Modernist".  Meanwhile, it would appear that only a handful for the clergy and pockets of faithful layment still believe in EENS dogma and in Traditional Catholic ecclesiology, and they too are doomed to fall off into heresy unless they be snapped out of it by God's grace.
    Unfortunately a lot of trads have this false ideal that the 1950s was based and Holy, but really it was not so. Look at that photo in the recent birthday thread. A mass in the early 50s yet some women are not covering their heads, oh scriptures warns a women must cover her head before God BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS. If these women had the audacity to unveil themselves before God in the 50s, it really shows the internal disposition that most were hiding, but God sees, and this is why people so easily accepted the changes, internally there were already ready for Vatican 2, they just needed the 'official' permission to betray Christ.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #21 on: Today at 07:05:05 AM »
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  • Then he finishes it off with some gaslighting, where Feeneyites are Pharsiees who believe in their own "specialness", as he touts HIS own specialness for being not like those Pharisees.  "Thank God I am not like that Pharisee!"  
    Regarding this particular thing. Should I not thank God for taking me out of sin and thereby making me 'better' than secular people (because they live in sin). Indeed thank God I'm not like them, but I struggle to see the issue. It's by God's grace I have left my past ways, I need this explained to me some more.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #22 on: Today at 07:18:38 AM »
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  • Quote from Ladislaus 


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    I've not known a one of them who limited BoD to catechumens or the like, but they all claim that non-Catholics can be saved without having been converted before the end of their lives, thereby verbatim contradicting the Council of Florence. 
    Ladislaus, I am reading your post.  I have not read the whole thing yet.


    I don't believe that any Catholic believes that.  BoD happens with a person who has a sincere desire to become Catholic.  Baptism is just the last step to make it official.   What you just said above is like saying these Catholic priests think a Hindu can be saved without showing any desire for Catholicism and you know that is not what they meant. 
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #23 on: Today at 07:25:46 AM »
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  • If God does send us a holy Pope, that Pope will certainly canonize Father Feeney and establish his feast day on February 18th. :pray:
    Father Feeney was the Saint Athanasius of the 20th century, whether you like it or not.
    Was St Athanasius disobedient?  I thought saintly people were determined by how obedient they were/are to their authorities.  Please provide a list of disobedient Saints.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #24 on: Today at 07:38:26 AM »
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  • Quote from Ladislaus

    Ladislaus, I am reading your post.  I have not read the whole thing yet.


    I don't believe that any Catholic believes that.  BoD happens with a person who has a sincere desire to become Catholic.  Baptism is just the last step to make it official.  What you just said above is like saying these Catholic priests think a Hindu can be saved without showing any desire for Catholicism and you know that is not what they meant.
    No, Catholics actually do believe that. They regularly apply "implicit" BOD, or even saying following just the Natural Law suffices, to non-Catholics who do not know of the Faith or the Church. They say Hindus, Muslims, Jews, ect. can be saved while being Hindus, Muslims, etc...that they can be saved in those false religions. Not saved by them, but saved by the Church..but not in the Church. Quotes of Trad clerics saying things like this have been provided ad nauseam over the years...
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #25 on: Today at 07:41:00 AM »
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  • Was St Athanasius disobedient?  I thought saintly people were determined by how obedient they were/are to their authorities.  Please provide a list of disobedient Saints.
    Please, shut up. Fr. Feeney was obedient to the Truth
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
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  • Was St Athanasius disobedient?  I thought saintly people were determined by how obedient they were/are to their authorities.  Please provide a list of disobedient Saints.
    I'll tell you more: Saint Athanasius was excommunicated several times. Should he have obeyed the authorities in everything?
    Many other saints were persecuted and excommunicated. (Saint Columba, saint Joan of Arc, etc.) We obey God first, not people. 

    I also want to ask you. Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre was a great man if he disobeyed Rome and was excommunicated? I suppose so. If you truly believe Archbishop Lefebvre had the right to do so, then you must put forward other arguments against Father Feeney.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
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  • Please, shut up. Fr. Feeney was obedient to the Truth
    It sounds a bit harsh, but you're right. For example, no one has yet been able to explain to me how the Church dogmatized BoD/BoB. Everyone draws different boundaries for salvation without baptism or even salvation outside the Church.

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
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  • It sounds a bit harsh, but you're right. For example, no one has yet been able to explain to me how the Church dogmatized BoD/BoB. Everyone draws different boundaries for salvation without baptism or even salvation outside the Church.
    By "salvation without baptism" I mean BoD and BoB:trollface:

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    Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
    « Reply #29 on: Today at 08:22:20 AM »
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  • Was St Athanasius disobedient?  I thought saintly people were determined by how obedient they were/are to their authorities.  Please provide a list of disobedient Saints.
    :facepalm:  +ABL was excommunicated, hello?  And by your own admission, you think JP2 was a legit pope.  So +ABL's excommunication was WORSE because Fr Feeney simply ignored a court request, while +ABL ignored MULTIPLE summons to rome and ultimately committed graves sins against canon law due to ordinations.