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Author Topic: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism  (Read 6219 times)

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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2026, 02:24:11 PM »
I thought that is how people who are looking to understand the law look for precedent.  I think this disobedience question is very important.  You men, want wives to be obedient to their spouse because it was set up by God.  Well apply this to Father Feeney and +ABL.  We are in the Crisis due to many different forms of disobedience. I just think that until we apply that across all forms of master/servant relationships, God will not restore Catholicism. Just my observation no one has to even pay any attention to me.
Saint Athanasius also lived in times of crisis and did not obey when the truth was being attacked. And yes, I think all men here recognize that a woman should not obey her husband in sinful matters. So Father Feeney also should not have obeyed when his authorities attacked the truth.

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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2026, 02:43:23 PM »
You don’t see any good fruits of +ABL and the sspx?  ????  What!?
Currently I am having a hard time seeing good fruits.  I see splits. I see scandals. I see families breaking up.  I see people speaking badly about their current priest, because they have a different opinion.  It is more of a mess than ever.  So maybe I am just in a melancholy stupor, please give a list of the good fruits you see.


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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2026, 02:58:51 PM »
Saint Athanasius also lived in times of crisis and did not obey when the truth was being attacked. And yes, I think all men here recognize that a woman should not obey her husband in sinful matters. So Father Feeney also should not have obeyed when his authorities attacked the truth.
Did St. Athanasius ordain Bishops? Did St. Athanasius accept the consequences of his disobedience?  These things matter.  Did Father Feeney? Did +ABL?  

These are tough times and no one but God knows the Truth.

This is why the sedevacantists and sedeprivationists, first decide that the Novus Ordo Popes don't have authority, then they do what they need to do to keep the Church alive.

I know this is just my perspective and I very well could be wrong.

I just don't think there is an easy answer and if you think you are right, you are probably wrong.  

God will eventually make this all clear.

(And yes my thoughts and feelings are all over the place, but I think most people are just as frustrated as I am, and only want to figure out how to please God)

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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2026, 03:16:21 PM »
Currently I am having a hard time seeing good fruits.  I see splits. I see scandals. I see families breaking up.  I see people speaking badly about their current priest, because they have a different opinion.  It is more of a mess than ever.  So maybe I am just in a melancholy stupor, please give a list of the good fruits you see.
The fruits are not to be seen/measured according to all people, because the sspx (just like the catholic church) is made up of flawed, sinful individuals.  The fruits are to be seen in exemplary individuals, but most importantly, in the Truth/doctrine.  That is, that priests/families are willing to sacrifice x, y and z to protect, (attempt to) build Tradition, build schools, build chapels/convents, in hopes that Tradition will survive.  The struggle/desire/work is proof that Tradition is worth keeping.

In other words, there was a story of a protestant who was serious about catholicism.  He visited Rome in the mid 1800s, admist all sorts of Vatican scandals, etc.  He returned and shocked his friends by his decision to convert.  He said, "If the Catholic Church can survive all of the turmoil, scandals, and lukewarm individuals I met in Rome, then surely it only exists because God is keeping it going.  Therefore, it must be of Divine origin."


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Re: Against the Heresy of Feeneyism
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2026, 04:38:31 PM »
The fruits are not to be seen/measured according to all people, because the sspx (just like the catholic church) is made up of flawed, sinful individuals.  The fruits are to be seen in exemplary individuals, but most importantly, in the Truth/doctrine.  That is, that priests/families are willing to sacrifice x, y and z to protect, (attempt to) build Tradition, build schools, build chapels/convents, in hopes that Tradition will survive.  The struggle/desire/work is proof that Tradition is worth keeping.

In other words, there was a story of a protestant who was serious about catholicism.  He visited Rome in the mid 1800s, admist all sorts of Vatican scandals, etc.  He returned and shocked his friends by his decision to convert.  He said, "If the Catholic Church can survive all of the turmoil, scandals, and lukewarm individuals I met in Rome, then surely it only exists because God is keeping it going.  Therefore, it must be of Divine origin."
Thanks for that glimmer of hope.

I guess the time period you exist in always feels worse than the time period others exist in.  I can honestly say though, I wouldn't want to see my loved ones being eaten by animals.