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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #95 on: September 24, 2022, 01:05:23 PM »
It does not pay to continue to interact with the manifest heretic troll. It only give him an audience.  He will dig his own grave....all in due time.

True.  He's really just talking to himself here, as even the most ardent proponents of BoD here would deny that it can apply to infants.  And there is no actual theology behind it.  It's just emotion theology.  I don't "llke" the fact that unbaptized infants cannot attain to the Beatific Vision, so I'll invent something that would make it possible.  St. Thomas clearly explained that the Beatific Vision (and this is echoed by the Greek Fathers who implied belief in Limbo from very early on) is not something human nature is capable of, and that there's no injustice in anyone not receiving it.  It is not required for perfect natural happiness either.

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2022, 02:08:13 PM »
True.  He's really just talking to himself here, as even the most ardent proponents of BoD here would deny that it can apply to infants.  And there is no actual theology behind it.  It's just emotion theology.  I don't "like" the fact that unbaptized infants cannot attain to the Beatific Vision, so I'll invent something that would make it possible.  St. Thomas clearly explained that the Beatific Vision (and this is echoed by the Greek Fathers who implied belief in Limbo from very early on) is not something human nature is capable of, and that there's no injustice in anyone not receiving it.  It is not required for perfect natural happiness either.
That sort of thinking is typically found in women.  I think this is why many people in the forums over the years thought I was male.


Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2022, 02:13:43 PM »
That sort of thinking is typically found in women.  I think this is why many people in the forums over the years thought I was male.
For the longest time I assumed Epiphany was a woman and I was really surprised to notice the little male marker under his name recently.  I did see a big Twitter debate where Matt Walsh passionately defended unbaptized infants going to Heaven, so males aren’t immune, I guess.

Offline Yeti

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« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2022, 02:15:59 PM »
True.  He's really just talking to himself here, as even the most ardent proponents of BoD here would deny that it can apply to infants.  And there is no actual theology behind it.  It's just emotion theology.  I don't "llke" the fact that unbaptized infants cannot attain to the Beatific Vision, so I'll invent something that would make it possible.


I see this in a lot of questions, and it's disturbing every time. I've seen people make up the idea that aborted babies are martyrs because they are killed in sacrifice to Satan. I think it's also why most indult-mindset people such as epiphany fiercely defend the fake modern marriage annulments while generally rejecting the other modernist innovations as heretical. I think it's also the main motivation behind Bennyvacantism, as well as the acceptance of the modernist rite of ordination/consecration. I suspect it's behind the popularity of Fr. Ripperger as well, since it tickles people's vanity to be told they're being physically attacked by demons like the great saints such as the Cure of Ars, St. Anthony of the Desert, or even Padre Pio. In the new church it's why people accepted when their "priest" told them they could use contraception; they knew perfectly well that was wrong and did it because they wanted to, not because their priest told them.

It makes me pretty pessimistic about most people in the Novus Ordo church, since people believe what is comfortable to believe, not what is taught them by the Church. That's why most people went along with the changes, because they made them comfortable in their sins. It's also why I consider people in the new church, generally speaking, to be in bad faith about their religion and not to be Catholics.

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2022, 02:25:53 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos 9/24/2022, 12:47:25 PM
Where does Church dogma state that? Theologians state that. But the Church has never dogmatically said there were three forms of baptism, but one baptism.
Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments." Encyclical On Promotion of False Doctrines (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore) by Pope Pius IX, 1863

A person outside the Church by his own fault, and who dies without perfect contrition, will not be saved. But he who finds himself outside without fault of his own, and who lives a good life, can be saved by the love called charity, which unites unto God, and in a spiritual way also to the Church, that is, to the soul of the Church." Pope St. Pius X, Catechism of Christian Doctrine

It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood" 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Baptism

See also the Baltimore catechism, which the Church uses to teach catechumens and children.