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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2022, 09:56:26 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on September 24, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
In a practical sense, if all unborn children who are murdered by abortion go to heaven with a level of certainty, maybe ALL children should be aborted, as your and my children have no assurance of heaven living life in this world; even after baptism .

In other words, abortion is a ticket to Heaven. We could have Heaven population parties with pregnant mothers aborting. Sweet.

Why even baptize? Why the sacrifice of Christ?  Original sin can be mitigated or absolved in many ways......Incarnation not necessary.
It's basically the same problem that St. Augustine addressed about ѕυιcιdє in De Civitate Dei
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Offline MariaImmaculata123

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2022, 10:16:43 AM »
If the unbaptized no longer need heaven, then the holy conquistadors and missionary priests who brought the love of God to uncivilized, unChristianized worlds and sometimes paid for it with their lives, died for naught.
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Offline epiphany

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2022, 11:01:22 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on September 24, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
In a practical sense, if all unborn children who are murdered by abortion go to heaven with a level of certainty, maybe ALL children should be aborted, as your and my children have no assurance of heaven living life in this world; even after baptism .

In other words, abortion is a ticket to Heaven. We could have Heaven population parties with pregnant mothers aborting. Sweet.

Why even baptize? Why the sacrifice of Christ?  Original sin can be mitigated or absolved in many ways......Incarnation not necessary.
Who said all unborn children who are aborted go to Heaven?
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Offline epiphany

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2022, 11:05:34 AM »
Quote from: MariaImmaculata123 on September 24, 2022, 10:16:43 AM
If the unbaptized no longer need heaven, then the holy conquistadors and missionary priests who brought the love of God to uncivilized, unChristianized worlds and sometimes paid for it with their lives, died for naught.
Right.  Everyone in heaven must have been baptized, in one of three forms.  But the Church teaches that baptism of desire is a possibility only when baptism of water is not possible.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2022, 11:26:22 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on September 24, 2022, 05:55:51 AM
It is clear Church teaching that infants without the Sacrament of Baptism can not go to Heaven.  Nowhere does the Church teach or ever taught that infants [or preborn] can be baptized with BOD. Epiphany obstinately denies this.  Epiphany is a manifest heretic.  He should not be posting on a Traditional Catholic forum.

Agreed.  He’s promoting Pelagian heresy.  It’s the clear constant dogmatic teaching of the Church that infants have no hope of salvation if they do not receive the actual Sacrament of Baptism.  BoD, such as it is claimed to be, is an ex opere operantis phenomenon that requires a perfect act of charity along with supernatural faith, and there is no other means by which such an act can be passively infused in the soul other than through the ex opere operato effect of the Sacrament of Baptism.

St. Alphonsus, who believed in BoD, clearly taught this.
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