Quote from: Yeti 9/23/2022, 5:03:26 PM
Epiphany, this is the correct and Catholic teaching on infants who die without baptism.
This is really bizarre. You showed this? Where? I can't find it anywhere in this thread. Can you please point it out to me? And also show us where the Church teaches what you're claiming it teaches in this statement?
What i quoted says the Church teaches that persons not baptized cannot enter heaven.
Baptism of blood and of desire are dogma of the Church as legitimate forms of baptism.
We were created to know, love, and serve God, Our Lord. The unborn are no exception.
We do not know how the mind of an infant works, especially in relation to God, so it is very possible they can desire baptism.
Use of Limbo for the unborn, as stated in the catechism, is only a "common belief", not dogma of the Church.
Read the quotes again, especially these:
"baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an
explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called "of wind" ["flaminis"] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind ["flamen"]. Now it is "de fide" that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, "de presbytero non baptizato" and of the Council of Trent" St. Alphonsus Ligouri's Moral Theology Manual (15th century), Bk. 6, no. 95., Concerning Baptism
Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments." Encyclical On Promotion of False Doctrines (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore) by Pope Pius IX, 1863
A person outside the Church by his own fault, and who dies without perfect contrition, will not be saved. But
he who finds himself outside without fault of his own, and who lives a good life, can be saved by the love called charity, which unites unto God, and in a spiritual way also to the Church, that is, to the soul of the Church." Pope St. Pius X, Catechism of Christian Doctrine
It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood" 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Baptism
I hope this helps.
There is no question in my mind that Limbo is no longer used, that there are three forms of baptism, and that God gives every man (born or unborn) an opportunity to reach heaven.
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