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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2022, 01:50:49 PM »
:laugh1: More word games.

Still a Modernist troll.
It is impossible to have a discussion with someone who can't tell the difference and between what someone says (which i didn't) and what the Church teaches (which i did). 
Over and out.

Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2022, 01:51:12 PM »
Does Catholic Answers still have a forum?  If so, I think that's where epiphany belongs.


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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2022, 01:55:37 PM »
The parents would desire their child to be baptized, and would do so if they had the chance to do so.

Garbage.  BoD is ex opere operantis and cannot be applied vicariously.  This is affirmed repeatedly by Church teaching which states, in various ways, that the Baptism of children cannot be delayed as the only remedy for them from Original Sin is the Sacrament of Baptism.  This is clear even in the passage from the Catechism of Trent that is cited as being evidence of BoD.  Otherwise, there's no particular danger in delaying the Sacrament as long as the parents intend to baptize the child.  Finally, BoD requires not only some intention to receive the Sacrament but also an act of supernatural faith, perfect contrition, etc.  It's only through the Sacrament that supernatural faith and charity can be (passively or ex opere operato) infused into the soul.  Those who are the most ardent proponents of BoD here on CI will admit this.

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We have rendered votum by "desire" for want of a better word. The council does not mean by votum a simple desire of receiving baptism or even a resolution to do so. It means by votum an act of perfect charity or contrition, including, at least implicitly, the will to do all things necessary for salvation and thus especially to receive baptism.


Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2022, 01:57:53 PM »
It is impossible to have a discussion with someone who can't tell the difference and between what someone says (which i didn't) and what the Church teaches (which i did).
Over and out.
Buh bye.  I hope for good.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2022, 01:59:08 PM »
It is impossible to have a discussion with someone who can't tell the difference and between what someone says (which i didn't) and what the Church teaches (which i did).
Over and out.

No, the Church teaches no such thing.  Even if we were to concede that there is a salvific Baptism of Desire, your extension of BoD to infants is illegitimate.  So your appeal to this "dogma" of BoD and condemnation of Feeneyites as heretics (which I will not bother to address here) is illegitimate and just a distraction.  Pro-BoD Traditional Catholics agree that it cannot apply those those who have not reached the age of reason.