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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM »
"Infant limbo"?  Is that another kind of Limbo?

This is where, I believe, many traditional Catholics get into trouble.  It doesn't matter what we believe as much as what is.

I had sent you a link from Catholic Encyclopedia explaining the entire matter.  Did you simply ignore it?  Every Catholic has heard the distinction between the "Limbo Patrum" (Limbo of the Fathers) ... which you rightly indicate ceased to exist after Our Lord's Resurrection, and the "Limbo Infantium" (Limbo of Infants), which continues on.  Surely you can't be this ignorant of Catholicism to never have heard these two terms before ... or at least the concept.  Every Catholic who has the least bit of catechesis has heard of the notion that infants who die unbaptized go to Limbo.

That last sentence again perplexes me.  With the teaching authority of the Church, "what we believe" conforms to "what is".  As the aforementioned article explains, theologians are nearly unanimous about the fact that unbaptized infants go to Limbo.  So, do you claim to have some better information about "what is" than pretty much nearly every Catholic theologian since the time of St. Thomas?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2022, 12:18:03 PM »
It doesn't matter what we believe as much as what is. 

:facepalm:  so, do tell us, where do infants who die unbaptized go?

Nearly all Catholic theologians have concluded the existece of Limbo from two dogmatic truths ...
1) those who die in Original Sin cannot go to Heaven and enter the Beatific Vision
and
2) those who die without the guilty of actual sin will not suffer any "punishment" (as Original Sin is not a punishable offense)

So it necessarily follows that there's a place which is not Heaven and also not Hell, not in the sense of a Hell where people are punsihed ... although some hold that Limbo is actually part of Hell.  Regardless of where the "place" actually is, the question is the STATE in which these souls spend eternity if they die without Original Sin and yet also without the guilty of actual sin.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2022, 12:22:35 PM »
The Church has never defined dogma on such.

Oh, the Church most certainly has ... as cited by another poster above.  This is UNANIMOUS consensus of all Church Fathers from the beginning.  Now, for a while theologians, following St Augustine, posited that infants who died unbaptized go to Hell, but theologians reconsidered this and, since the time of St. Thomas, it's nearly undisputed.

Nevertheless, despite historical controversy about the details of where they do actually go, it's been dogmatically defined and taught repeatedly that those who die in Original Sin alone cannot go to Heaven.  In other words, it's dogmatically certain where they do NOT go, i.e. to Heaven.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2022, 12:24:53 PM »
Read the article i posted again. 

That article is pure Modernist trash.  YOU read the article from Catholic Encyclopedia.

If you deny that infants who die without the Sacrament of Baptism cannot go to Heaven and enter the Beatific Vision, you are a Pelagian heretic.

Offline Romulus

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Re: Adults In Limbo
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2022, 02:26:56 PM »
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Letentur coeli
“We define also that… the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go straightaway to hell, but to undergo punishments of different kinds.”

That's pretty clear to me...
Limbo is a part of Hell, so the belief of Limbo of the Innocents doesn't violate this