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Offline Matto

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About Archbishop Lefebvre and BOD
« on: December 08, 2015, 01:45:41 PM »
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  • In this video starting at 1 hour 45 minutes and 30 seconds, a story is told about Archbishop Lefebvre and a few Muslims who wanted baptism and Lefebvre's belief in BOD. I had never heard about it before I saw this video and thought it was interesting which is why I am sharing it here.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/fiiGSDt0PUs[/youtube]
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    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 02:34:32 PM »
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  • Thanks for sharing.  Perhaps someone who has the book that abp. lefebve recounts this in can share the exact passage/details.  I would really like to hear it.  I will reserve my thought and opinion until after I have read the exact account.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    About Archbishop Lefebvre and BOD
    « Reply #2 on: December 08, 2015, 04:03:16 PM »
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  • Sr. Catherine M.I.C.M. wrote in her book Gate of Heaven about the widespread liberal and heretical theology in France in the 1940's:

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    We have received at St. Benedict Center during this past month, four Catholic magazines and one Catholic newspaper which contain articles purporting to explain the two clear, simple doctrines: there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church nor without personal submission to our Holy Father, the Pope. One magazine was French, sent us from Paris. This turned out to be worse by far than its American counterparts. The maze of empty phrases, false distinctions, heretical statements in each of these five writings was clearly diabolical. That was all that was clear in the articles. We had no notion, when we finished, what the writers were saying other than that they were endeavoring to prove that the dogma: “There is No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church” really means: “There is salvation outside the Catholic Church.”

    With regard to the authors, themselves, however, it was very clear that each of the priests writing – French as well as American – had lost his Faith; or else was thoroughly dishonest. In either case, he is well on his way to losing his soul if he does not, before he dies, stop his diabolical reasoning and profess the pure Faith of Jesus Christ.

    The United States has never had a native-born canonized saint. But France is the land of saints. France was known in the days of Faith as the “eldest daughter of the Church.” I know she has been a wayward daughter for a long time, but Our Lady came to Bernadette there in the last century, and the Little Flower of Jesus lived and died in France during the lifetime of many who may read these words. We never dreamed that the Church in France would allow an article on salvation so heretical as the one which was sent us, written by a French Dominican, to pass ecclesiastical censorship. A young seminarian forwarded it to Dr. Maluf, at the Center.

    This article from France – had we not the promise of Christ that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church – would spell the end of the Faith. It leaves no need whatsoever for the Catholic Church. It promises salvation without that Church to everyone: Hindu, Mohammedan, Buddhist, Protestant, Jєω – just as they are.
    http://catholicism.org/gate-of-heaven.html/6

    The Saint Benedict Center in Still River included what Archbishop Lefebvre taught in a footnote of their edition of Gate of Heaven that they published. Archbishop Lefebvre wrote in his book: A BISHOP SPEAKS - Writings and Addresses 1963-75 pg. 153,
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    One may be saved within Protestantism, within Buddhism, within any religion soever, but one cannot be saved by that religion!
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life

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    About Archbishop Lefebvre and BOD
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2015, 02:30:21 PM »
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  • I have a question for those who might know. Is it common for Catholic priests and Bishops to refuse baptism to Muslims in lands where there are many Muslims for fear of violence? That seems horrible to me. To tell a whole group of people that they are on their own and the Church will not help them and they are left to try to save their souls without the sacraments. But if they did baptize the Muslims might attack them. Shouldn't they baptize while also raising militias so they could defend themselves from the Muslims? I don't know what is the best way to go in this difficult situation.
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    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2015, 03:51:46 PM »
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  • Many thanks for an excellent link, Mato.

    As you probably already know the heresy of Americanism played a major role in the dilution of the EENS dogma. It is the reason why in the Baltimore Catechism of 1894, the heresy of the "three" types of Baptisms (water, desire & blood) was introduced. Thankfully, the heretical wording was modified in later editions (the word "three" is no longer found in the 1941 revisions) but still, during the whole XX century and to this day great part of the world are taught Catholicism from the Baltimore Catechism created by Americanist Cardinal Gibbons. Most surprisingly the SSPX, SSPV, Resistance, and many Sedevacantists promote this same heresy of the "three" types of Baptisms, which not even the "Novus Ordo" as Opus Dei adheres with so much passion.    

    There are NOT "three baptisms" and never have been, but only one Faith and one Baptism, as the Apostle of the Gentiles teaches. We attest to this dogma in the Nicene Creed at every Mass. Unfortunately, from the very beginning of this nation, the American Catholic forefathers were accommodating with the non-Catholics in sole benefit of the pluralist masonic society that it was being formed. These Catholics coming to America were very weak doctrinally, starting of course, with Bishop Carroll.

    In 1899 Pope Leo issued his encyclical entitled "Testem Benevolenciae" to correct the errors of "Americanism."

    It can be read here:  

    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm.  



     
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    About Archbishop Lefebvre and BOD
    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2015, 04:22:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I have a question for those who might know. Is it common for Catholic priests and Bishops to refuse baptism to Muslims in lands where there are many Muslims for fear of violence? That seems horrible to me. To tell a whole group of people that they are on their own and the Church will not help them and they are left to try to save their souls without the sacraments. But if they did baptize the Muslims might attack them. Shouldn't they baptize while also raising militias so they could defend themselves from the Muslims? I don't know what is the best way to go in this difficult situation.


    I would think the muslims would have to show a positive desire to be a Christian first.  Off course they would never do in their own land. Its also the duty of the Priest to instruct them in the basic s of the Faith first.
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    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2015, 06:00:37 PM »
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  • It is appalling to hear this.... It is one thing to be a coward, but as the speaker points out, "to boast of your cowardice", Well IMO that is pitiful.


    Catholic Church teaching for this situation


    Pope St. Siricius, Decree to Himerius, A.D. 385:

    “Therefore just as we say that the holy paschal observance is in no way to be diminished, we also say that to infants who will not yet be able to speak on account of their age or to those who in any necessity will need the holy stream of baptism, we wish succor to be brought with all celerity, lest it should tend to the perdition of our souls if the saving font be denied to those desiring it and every single one of them exiting this world lose both the Kingdom and life.”

    Whoever should fall into the peril of shipwreck, the incursion of an enemy, the uncertainty of a siege or the desperation of any bodily sickness, and should beg to be relieved by the unique help of faith, let them obtain the rewards of the much sought-after regeneration in the same moment of time in which they beg for it.  Let the previous error in this matter be enough; [but] now let all priests maintain the aforesaid rule, who do not want to be torn from the solidity of the apostolic rock upon which Christ constructed His universal Church.

    For some reason the link I left reads schism errors?????