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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2019, 06:34:55 PM »
No, because heresy places an obstacle to the grace (ibid., end of 3rd full ΒΆ)

Why?  Because there's no supernatural faith in a heretic.  Explain how BoB for infants infuses the supernatural faith that's lacking.

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2019, 09:48:16 PM »
Explain how BoB for infants infuses the supernatural faith that's lacking.
However it was done for the Holy Innocents.


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2019, 09:11:51 AM »
This "aborted babies and baptism of blood" notion is a perfect example of "mission creep."   What started out as theological speculation with a very narrow set of parameters (a catechumen who dies for explicit faith in Christ and His Church) ends up undermining the entire edifice of Catholic doctrine.   Truth isn't necessary, the sacraments aren't necessary, the moral law isn't necessary, revelation isn't necessary, the true religion isn't necessary.  Not even "accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" is necessary.  None of it is necessary.  

We're supposed to be resisting error.  Why even bother?  Clearly, truth doesn't matter.  People can get to heaven without it.

Add to that the fact that, if aborted babies get "baptism of blood" and go straight to heaven, then abortion loses it's horror.  

The early Catholics did not resist persecution and martyrdom.  They embraced it.  If aborted babies go to heaven, then why are we resisting their "martyrdom"?  It seems to me the abortionist is doing them a favor, sending them straight to heaven.
Nonsensical argument. I agree that abortion isn't martyrdom, but your argument here(that we should let martyrdom continue because the martyrs are saved) just doesn't stand. Just because we are to embrace martyrdom rather than denounce the faith, does NOT mean we are to let our fellow Catholics be martyred. If Catholics were being into the Colosseum to be eaten by Lions if they did not renounce, they would be saved. So would we just let the practice continue and let our brothers and sister in Christ be massacred? Obviously not. Many wars were fought for the explicit purpose of saving people from martyrdom. To argue that if the unborn babies were martyred and saved, that we should not stop abortion, is the same as arguing that if Catholic pilgrims being murdered in the Holy Land were saved that the Crusaders shouldn't have fought to secure them safe passage. The Crusaders didn't decide that pilgrims being slaughtered lost its horror because those pilgrims went to Heaven, they didn't decide to just sit back and leave it happen. They still recognised it as a horrible crime demanding vengeance. So even if abortion was martyrdom(which I don't believe it is), we would still fight just as hard to stop it. 

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2019, 09:12:12 AM »
However it was done for the Holy Innocents.
Old Covenant. 

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2019, 09:28:37 AM »
Old Covenant.
Y'all are wasting your time.