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Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« on: February 05, 2019, 05:45:33 PM »
Fr. Francis O’Connell, C.Ss.R., Outlines of Moral Theology (1953), as quoted on the last page of Conlon's Sources of Baptism of Blood & Baptism of Desire:
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Baptism of Desire ... is an act of divine charity or perfect contrition... These means (i.e. Baptism of Blood & Desire) presuppose in the recipient at least the implicit will to receive the sacrament... Even an infant can gain the benefit of the Baptism of Blood if he is put to death by a person actuated by hatred for the Christian faith...

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Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 05:48:39 PM »
#1) very few aborted babies are killed due to someone being actuated from contempt for the faith

#2) So what?  This guy makes it up; it's a gratuitous statement rooted in wishful thinking.  Where's the theological proof for it?


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2019, 01:19:59 AM »
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Baptism of Desire ... is an act of divine charity or perfect contrition...

I have heard this argument as the mechanism for BOD, but it doesn't quite match with what the Saints have said about "perfect contrition".

In the attached lecture by St. Alphonsus De' Ligouri, he explains perfect contrition, but only in the context of it being used by Baptized Catholics when they have no access to the priestly Absolution from Confession.


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2019, 11:06:18 AM »
Aborted babies do not die as martyrs for Christ and His Church. The situation is completely different and you know it. This is just another silly attempt to reduce Catholic dogma to a meaningless formula so at the end, everyone can just believe what they want.

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“Anyone who would say that even infants who pass from this life without participation in the Sacrament of Baptism shall be made alive in Christ goes counter to the preaching of the Apostle and condemns the whole Church, because it is believed without doubt that there is no other way at all in which they can be made alive in Christ’ (St. Augustine, Epistle to Jerome , Journel: 166).


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 02:22:47 PM »
Where's the theological proof for it?

Pope Benedict XIV Doctrina de servorum Dei beatificatione et beatorum canonizatione lib. 3 cap. 15 "De requisitis in martyre necessariis ante martyrium":
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Martyrium dicitur baptismus sanguinis Marc. 10. In adultis est actus fortitudinis, et caritatis : quoad infantes, sufficit occisos fuisse ex odio in Christum, ut martyrium suppleat vices baptismi aquæ, deleatque ex opere operato peccatum originale quoad culpam, et poenam, ut docet S. Thomas (2, 2, qu. 124, art. 1 ad 1)

What constitutes killing out of hatred of Christ (ex odio in Christum) is not as restrictive as some may think. As Billot, S.J. (De ecclesiæ sacramentis t. 1 p. 242) mentions, a "formal hatred of Christ and His religion" is not necessary, as some emperors who martyred did so only out of motives of ignorance of Christianity, upholding civil law, or public opinion; however, they did target Christians specifically.

Cdl. Cajetan, O.P., in his commentary on III q. 68 a. 11 ("Whether a child can be baptized while yet in its mother's womb?") is even more explicit, saying that even in utero infants can be martyrs like the Holy Innocents:
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Si enim propter Christum infans in utero occideretur, martyr esset, non minus quam Innocentes.