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Offline ihsv

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2019, 09:48:58 PM »
Quote from: ihsv on February 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
The Holy Innocents died under the Old Law, and were not subject to the new dispensation of baptism.  Under no circuмstances is their situation even remotely similar to those of aborted babies who die under the New Law.  The obligation to receive the sacrament of baptism didn't come into effect until Pentecost Sunday, 33 AD.
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Offline Geremia

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2019, 09:55:02 PM »
Quote from: ihsv on February 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
The Holy Innocents died under the Old Law, and were not subject to the new dispensation of baptism.
St. Robert argues not all the Holy Innocents were circuмcised; thus, it was not circuмcision that justified them; it was their martyrdom itself which gave graces ex opere operato (De Sacramento Baptismi p. 166, first full ¶).
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Offline ihsv

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2019, 10:42:04 PM »
 :facepalm:
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Offline Nadir

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
St. Robert argues not all the Holy Innocents were circuмcised; thus, it was not circuмcision that justified them; it was their martyrdom itself which gave graces ex opere operato (De Sacramento Baptismi p. 166, first full ¶).
What are St Robert's grounds for such a statement (can't read the link you posted); after all the reason for killing those lttle boys under 2 years of age, (by which time little Jєωιѕн boys are already circuмcised) was to eliminate Jesus, Who of course had already been whipped off to Egypt by His parents. If they weren't circuмcised then they weren't Jєωιѕн, and so would not have been martyred.
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2019, 10:22:50 AM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
How did Fr. Feeney explain the Holy Innocents?

First, they died under the Old Law of salvation, as it has been explained before. Most Holy Innocents would have been circuмcised anyway, just like the martyrs have most likely been water baptized.
Second, they were slaughtered for the sake of Jesus. Aborted babies are NOT slaughtered for the sake of Jesus.  :fryingpan:
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