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Offline Geremia

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 10:13:14 PM »
Quote from: Cantarella on February 07, 2019, 06:57:41 PM
These babies are not dying for the sake of Christ; but for the irresponsibility of their mothers.
What if the abortionist intends to kill Christians' children?
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Offline Geremia

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 10:17:35 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on February 06, 2019, 01:19:59 AM
In the attached lecture by St. Alphonsus De' Ligouri, he explains perfect contrition, but only in the context of it being used by Baptized Catholics when they have no access to the priestly Absolution from Confession.
Other good resources on the perfect contrition question: those linked in "Perfect Contrition: The Key to Heaven, especially for Our Times," esp. the interview with Fr. Bernard Uttley
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Offline ihsv

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 11:09:07 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 07, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
What if the abortionist intends to kill Christians' children?

Well, for starters, it's not sufficient for martyrdom that the guy who shoots you hates Catholics.  YOU have to be WILLING to die for Christ.  A Catholic who is taken to the Colosseum kicking and screaming is not going willingly, and so it cannot be construed as an act of love.  He is not "laying his life down" for the beloved, but rather is having it taken from him unwillingly.  This is not martyrdom.

The woman who goes to the abortionist is in a state of automatic excommunication and has been cut off from the communion of the faithful.  She is complicit.  The abortionist is complicit.  

WHERE is the perfect contrition, the perfect act of charity, the willingness to suffer for Christ, the implicit/explicit faith, intention to receive baptism, etc., etc., etc., coming from?  

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Offline ihsv

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 11:10:21 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 07, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
But an abortionist could.

No he couldn't, because the child is not a Christian.  Furthermore, the child is incapable of having a rational thought, and is in capable of forming any intention whatsoever, explicit or implicit.  
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Offline ihsv

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 11:25:19 PM »
Quote from: The Roman Catechism
The faithful are earnestly to be exhorted to take care that their children be brought to the church, as soon as it can be done with safety, to receive solemn Baptism. Since infant children have no other means of salvation except Baptism, we may easily understand how grievously those persons sin who permit them to remain without the grace of the Sacrament longer than necessity may require, particularly at an age so tender as to be exposed to numberless dangers of death.
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