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Offline Cantarella

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A Reply to Fr. Hartnett
« Reply #150 on: March 31, 2015, 05:18:07 PM »
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    LoT or other BODer out there, please explain how your position is any different from what Fr. Feeney described in his letter to Pope Pius XII about THE fundamental heresy plaguing the Church. It seems to me that your conclusions amount to the same thing explained here:

    Quote from: Fr. Feeney to His Holiness Pius XII

    May I tell you in brief statement what is the fundamental heresy universally taught by Catholics, priests, and teachers, in the United States of America? This is the doctrine that American Catholics are being taught:

     "THE WAY TO BE SAVED IS BY BEING SINCERE TO YOUR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS AND LEADING A GOOD LIFE. If one of your convictions happens to be that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, then you are obliged to join it. If you do not sincerely think it is the one way to salvation, then you are invincibly ignorant and God will save you, apart from the Church. YOU ARE THEN SAID TO BELONG TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH, and whatever you desire for yourself in the way of salvation, Catholic theologians are prepared to call "Baptism of Desire". Were you to sincerely think that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ, it would be a sin for you to join it."


     :rolleyes:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    A Reply to Fr. Hartnett
    « Reply #151 on: April 01, 2015, 11:40:38 AM »
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    LoT or other BODer out there, please explain how your position is any different from what Fr. Feeney described in his letter to Pope Pius XII about THE fundamental heresy plaguing the Church. It seems to me that your conclusions amount to the same thing explained here:

    Quote from: Fr. Feeney to His Holiness Pius XII

    May I tell you in brief statement what is the fundamental heresy universally taught by Catholics, priests, and teachers, in the United States of America? This is the doctrine that American Catholics are being taught:

     "THE WAY TO BE SAVED IS BY BEING SINCERE TO YOUR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS AND LEADING A GOOD LIFE. If one of your convictions happens to be that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, then you are obliged to join it. If you do not sincerely think it is the one way to salvation, then you are invincibly ignorant and God will save you, apart from the Church. YOU ARE THEN SAID TO BELONG TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH, and whatever you desire for yourself in the way of salvation, Catholic theologians are prepared to call "Baptism of Desire". Were you to sincerely think that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ, it would be a sin for you to join it."


     :rolleyes:


    I'm not worried about how the Church's position which I hold is different from Father Feeney's was before he met his Maker.  I would be only concerned if my position differed from the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church as was Father Feeney's position.  I thought this would be obvious now.  Is my differing from the the erroneous Feeney supposed to concern me?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    A Reply to Fr. Hartnett
    « Reply #152 on: April 01, 2015, 03:02:23 PM »
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    LoT or other BODer out there, please explain how your position is any different from what Fr. Feeney described in his letter to Pope Pius XII about THE fundamental heresy plaguing the Church. It seems to me that your conclusions amount to the same thing explained here:

    Quote from: Fr. Feeney to His Holiness Pius XII

    May I tell you in brief statement what is the fundamental heresy universally taught by Catholics, priests, and teachers, in the United States of America? This is the doctrine that American Catholics are being taught:

     "THE WAY TO BE SAVED IS BY BEING SINCERE TO YOUR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS AND LEADING A GOOD LIFE. If one of your convictions happens to be that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, then you are obliged to join it. If you do not sincerely think it is the one way to salvation, then you are invincibly ignorant and God will save you, apart from the Church. YOU ARE THEN SAID TO BELONG TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH, and whatever you desire for yourself in the way of salvation, Catholic theologians are prepared to call "Baptism of Desire". Were you to sincerely think that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ, it would be a sin for you to join it."


     :rolleyes:


    I'm not worried about how the Church's position which I hold is different from Father Feeney's was before he met his Maker.  I would be only concerned if my position differed from the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church as was Father Feeney's position.  I thought this would be obvious now.  Is my differing from the the erroneous Feeney supposed to concern me?


    The question was not whether you were worried about it, or not, but if and how your position on BOD was different from what Fr. Feeney was describing here. That of course, was not Fr. Feeney's position, but a concise description of a problem. At the end, you implied that your position differs but we still don't know how because the original question was never answered nor understood. Attention to detail and improvement in reading comprehension would do you good, LoT.    
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    A Reply to Fr. Hartnett
    « Reply #153 on: April 01, 2015, 06:05:47 PM »
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    LoT or other BODer out there, please explain how your position is any different from what Fr. Feeney described in his letter to Pope Pius XII about THE fundamental heresy plaguing the Church. It seems to me that your conclusions amount to the same thing explained here:

    Quote from: Fr. Feeney to His Holiness Pius XII

    May I tell you in brief statement what is the fundamental heresy universally taught by Catholics, priests, and teachers, in the United States of America? This is the doctrine that American Catholics are being taught:

     "THE WAY TO BE SAVED IS BY BEING SINCERE TO YOUR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS AND LEADING A GOOD LIFE. If one of your convictions happens to be that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, then you are obliged to join it. If you do not sincerely think it is the one way to salvation, then you are invincibly ignorant and God will save you, apart from the Church. YOU ARE THEN SAID TO BELONG TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH, and whatever you desire for yourself in the way of salvation, Catholic theologians are prepared to call "Baptism of Desire". Were you to sincerely think that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ, it would be a sin for you to join it."


     :rolleyes:


    I'm not worried about how the Church's position which I hold is different from Father Feeney's was before he met his Maker.  I would be only concerned if my position differed from the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church as was Father Feeney's position.  I thought this would be obvious now.  Is my differing from the the erroneous Feeney supposed to concern me?


    The question was not whether you were worried about it, or not, but if and how your position on BOD was different from what Fr. Feeney was describing here. That of course, was not Fr. Feeney's position, but a concise description of a problem. At the end, you implied that your position differs but we still don't know how because the original question was never answered nor understood. Attention to detail and improvement in reading comprehension would do you good, LoT.    


    Quite frankly I don't read what you say, I post the truth here to offset your heresies which I have heard a thousand times.  What you say is the same all the time in between the cut downs of the three-year-old variety, I'm not here to get in a rational discussion with you because you do not do that, I'm here to offset your nonsense.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    A Reply to Fr. Hartnett
    « Reply #154 on: April 03, 2015, 07:18:36 AM »
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    I would be only concerned if my position differed from the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church as was Father Feeney's position.


    Then you should be quite concerned, for the Church never taught Pelagianism nor that the Sacraments are not necessary for salvation.