Author Topic: A reflection on the 1949 Holy Office Letter. (Read 6690 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #45 on:** November 03, 2014, 12:08:48 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Stubborn · « **Reply #46 on:** November 03, 2014, 01:50:51 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

It doesn't really matter Cantarella because there is no prying the truth out of a determined hypocrite.

He was baptized but preaches others can make it to heaven without it.
He goes to Mass but figures others don't really need to.
He receives the Bread of Life but believes others don't really need it.
And on and on it goes.

He saw two different videos - one a Catholic example of a BOD and the other a prot example of a BOD.

He chooses the prot example as if that one were truth (but he is afraid to admit it).

He made his choice, he knows better and he will answer for it.

I am not interested in your videos. The Catholic Church through her Doctors, catechsims, and theologians has taught and explained Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

For you that is not good enough, you rely on your private judgment and reject these sacred teachings.

You do so at your own peril.

Of course you're not interested in any video proof of your BOD placed right before your eyes. But not just proof, you had two versions, a prot version of a BOD and a Catholic version of a BOD - and YOU choose the prot version - then get perturbed over the whole thing.

Cantarella · « **Reply #47 on:** November 03, 2014, 04:07:40 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

Stubborn · « **Reply #48 on:** November 03, 2014, 04:49:57 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose

Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

He must only read footers that he himself writes.

Ambrose · « **Reply #49 on:** November 03, 2014, 07:55:00 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

It doesn't really matter Cantarella because there is no prying the truth out of a determined hypocrite.

He was baptized but preaches others can make it to heaven without it.
He goes to Mass but figures others don't really need to.
He receives the Bread of Life but believes others don't really need it.
And on and on it goes.

He saw two different videos - one a Catholic example of a BOD and the other a prot example of a BOD.

He chooses the prot example as if that one were truth (but he is afraid to admit it).

He made his choice, he knows better and he will answer for it.

I am not interested in your videos. The Catholic Church through her Doctors, catechsims, and theologians has taught and explained Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

For you that is not good enough, you rely on your private judgment and reject these sacred teachings.

You do so at your own peril.

Of course you're not interested in any video proof of your BOD placed right before your eyes. But not just proof, you had two versions, a prot version of a BOD and a Catholic version of a BOD - and YOU choose the prot version - then get perturbed over the whole thing. :

That's not proof, what a joke. Now, present proof from approved Catholic texts, without Feeneyite private interpretation or twisting.

Ambrose · « **Reply #50 on:** November 03, 2014, 07:56:22 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

He must only read footers that he himself writes.

It sums it up succinctly.

Ambrose · « **Reply #51 on:** November 03, 2014, 08:00:52 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

The sources are all HERE

Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see.

I wonder how easy Luther would have fooled you to with his "great knowledge" if you lived in his time?

You fall for the Feeneyite propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

Stubborn · « **Reply #52 on:** November 04, 2014, 04:08:11 AM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

The sources are all HERE

Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see.

I wonder how easy Luther would have fooled you to with his "great knowledge" if you lived in his time?

You fall for the Feeneyite propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

You keep wondering about that, meanwhile, you've been fooled hook, line and sinker by Cushing who preached much of what Luther taught.

Do yourself a favor and heed my exhortations to you about repeating the words of Trent - "the sacraments are necessary unto salvation" over and over again until you believe it no matter how long it takes.

Ambrose · « **Reply #53 on:** November 04, 2014, 10:19:10 AM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

The sources are all HERE

Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see.

I wonder how easy Luther would have fooled you to with his "great knowledge" if you lived in his time?

You fall for the Feeneyite propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

You keep wondering about that, meanwhile, you've been fooled hook, line and sinker by Cushing who preached much of what Luther taught.

Do yourself a favor and heed my exhortations to you about repeating the words of Trent - "the sacraments are necessary unto salvation" over and over again until you believe it no matter how long it takes.

Yes, I am sticking with Trent, and it's clear teaching of Baptism of Desire.

Stubborn · « **Reply #54 on:** November 04, 2014, 12:05:17 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

The sources are all HERE

Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see.

I wonder how easy Luther would have fooled you to with his "great knowledge" if you lived in his time?

You fall for the Feeneyite propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

You keep wondering about that, meanwhile, you've been fooled hook, line and sinker by Cushing who preached much of what Luther taught.

Do yourself a favor and heed my exhortations to you about repeating the words of Trent - "the sacraments are necessary unto salvation" over and over again until you believe it no matter how long it takes.

Yes, I am sticking with Trent, and it's clear teaching of Baptism of Desire.

You mean Trent's clear teaching condemning your prot version of a BOD, don't you?

Or are you still promoting your prot version that's in the prot video? - because that is protestant, might be the CMRI version too - I'm not sure, but it's not the Catholic version.

Best thing for you to do is to repeat the words of Trent as I asked you to do for the last year already - - if you did that, we would not be even having this discussion from opposite sides - - can we at least agree on that?

Ambrose · « **Reply #55 on:** November 04, 2014, 12:41:47 PM »

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Baptism of Desire is de fide, to deny it is heresy.

Baptism of Blood is certain, to deny it is the mortal sin of temerity.

Who said that? It must be someone even more modernist than Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pope JJII, and Pope Francis for sure, as not even they have gone this far.

Read my footer.

Ambrose's footer is false. It is just not true that all taught BOD, but even if it was true, that does not make Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma, which is what Ambrose preaches.

The sources are all HERE

Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see.

I wonder how easy Luther would have fooled you to with his "great knowledge" if you lived in his time?

You fall for the Feeneyite propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

You keep wondering about that, meanwhile, you've been fooled hook, line and sinker by Cushing who preached much of what Luther taught.

Do yourself a favor and heed my exhortations to you about repeating the words of Trent - "the sacraments are necessary unto salvation" over and over again until you believe it no matter how long it takes.

Yes, I am sticking with Trent, and it's clear teaching of Baptism of Desire.

You mean Trent's clear teaching condemning your prot version of a BOD, don't you?

Or are you still promoting your prot version that's in the prot video? - because that is protestant, might be the CMRI version too - I'm not sure, but it's not the Catholic version.

Best thing for you to do is to repeat the words of Trent as I asked you to do for the last year already - - if you did that, we would not be even having this discussion from opposite sides - - can we at least agree on that?

I knew the truth about Feeneyism long before I ever came into contact with CMRI, so you can leave them out of it.

You deny the clear teaching of Trent. It's heresy, get over it.

Cantarella · « **Reply #56 on:** November 04, 2014, 01:23:35 PM »

But Trent did not teach BOD no matter how many times Ambrose says it. Actually Trent emphasized the absolute need of the Sacraments for salvation and anathemized those such as Ambrose who deny it.

Stubborn · « **Reply #57 on:** November 04, 2014, 01:34:18 PM »

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But Trent did not teach BOD no matter how many times Ambrose says it. Actually Trent emphasized the absolute need of the Sacraments for salvation and anathemized those such as Ambrose who deny it.

If you watched the video about a prot BOD, that is what he says Trent teaches.
I keep telling him to repeat what Trent actually does teach, but he is too far gone to be able to get himself to do any such thing.

Ambrose · « **Reply #58 on:** November 04, 2014, 01:43:51 PM »

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But Trent did not teach BOD no matter how many times Ambrose says it. Actually Trent emphasized the absolute need of the Sacraments for salvation and anathemized those such as Ambrose who deny it.

Yes, Trent did teach Baptism of Desire. You apparently did not read the sources that I gave.

I can't cure your wilful ignorance, only you can.

Stubborn · « **Reply #59 on:** November 04, 2014, 02:40:40 PM »

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But Trent did not teach BOD no matter how many times Ambrose says it. Actually Trent emphasized the absolute need of the Sacraments for salvation and anathemized those such as Ambrose who deny it.

Yes, Trent did teach Baptism of Desire. You apparently did not read the sources that I gave.

I can't cure your wilful ignorance, only you can.

Trent did not teach YOUR version of a BOD.

Best thing you can do is repeat what Trent actually did teach over and over every day until you believe it, as I suggested numerous times over this past year already.