Author Topic: A PROPOSED TRUCE (Read 2668 times)

Stephen Francis · « **on:** September 07, 2013, 06:10:31 PM »

We agree that the normative and ordinary means of remission of Original and any actual sins (and thus, membership in the Church and initiation into spiritual life) is the Sacrament of Baptism.

Supernatural extraordinary means of salvation are possible but no man or woman has EVER BEEN granted the power to exercise those means. That prerogative belongs to God alone.

I submit the above statement as a proposed cease-fire over the so-called "Feenyite/BOD" scandal that has made CI such a frustratingly unfruitful place lately.

Incredulous · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2013, 06:23:23 PM »

:sign-surrender: Okay already...

Frances · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2013, 07:56:46 PM »

:dancing-banana:Consider mine a third vote!

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2013, 08:15:56 AM »

Francisco · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2013, 09:32:26 AM »

Yes. This is a needless fight among baptized Catholics.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2013, 02:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

We agree that the normative and ordinary means of remission of Original and any actual sins (and thus, membership in the Church and initiation into spiritual life) is the Sacrament of Baptism.

Supernatural extraordinary means of salvation are possible but no man or woman has EVER BEEN granted the power to exercise those means. That prerogative belongs to God alone.

I submit the above statement as a proposed cease-fire over the so-called "Feenyite/BOD" scandal that has made CI such a frustratingly unfruitful place lately.

I so agree! I pray that this tired ,stale subject the Feenyites propagate will end.
However, I dont think the subject will ever end, because its constantly being resurrected by people on this forum who support the heretical ideas of Fr Feeney and the Diamonds.
Only Matthew can prohibit this topic from being discussed.

I do not visit other forums, but I suspect that this is one of the few forums that allows these discussions.

Many of the people that subscribe to the Diamond's heretical beliefs , visit the Diamonds website, and many of them go strictly to the Diamonds for spiritual advice. If they are told by a priest that the Diamond's beliefs are heretical, they dismiss the priest's advice and continue to subscribe to the Diamond's beliefs.
Many I know have eventually become "home aloners", denying themselves the life giving sacraments.

The heresy of no BOB and BOD is poison to the soul. :heretic:

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2013, 03:04:41 PM »

If this truce stops the endless nastiness that makes this forum look like a gaggle of protty sects, then yes. Sign me on for the truce.

The repeated threads and nastiness have gotten downright embarassing (among other topics)

Midas Welby · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2013, 03:21:08 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

We agree that the normative and ordinary means of remission of Original and any actual sins (and thus, membership in the Church and initiation into spiritual life) is the Sacrament of Baptism.

Supernatural extraordinary means of salvation are possible but no man or woman has EVER BEEN granted the power to exercise those means. That prerogative belongs to God alone.

I submit the above statement as a proposed cease-fire over the so-called "Feenyite/BOD" scandal that has made CI such a frustratingly unfruitful place lately.

Church canon law officially commands that catechumens who die suddenly before being baptized have a requiem Mass said for their souls. This is official recognition by the Catholic Church that a person can get to heaven without baptism by water. It is a matter of both the will of the recipient, and the grace of God.

If it is a frustrating subject, the ones who are wrong are causing the frustration. We should never give up promoting the truth just because those in error are frustrating. I think the moderator would do a great service to Catholicism by banning Feeneyites almost as quickly as he bans home-aloners.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2013, 03:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Midas Welby

I think the moderator would do a great service to Catholicism by banning Feeneyites almost as quickly as he bans home-aloners.

Matthew has always allowed people with different opinions to post here. He allows people who do not believe in BOD to post here even though he believes in BOD, just like he allows sedevacantists to post here even though he is not a sedevacantist. I think Matthew likes that there are a variety of people who post here with different views, whether they be "Feeneyites" or "Cushingites".

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2013, 07:58:02 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

We agree that the normative and ordinary means of remission of Original and any actual sins (and thus, membership in the Church and initiation into spiritual life) is the Sacrament of Baptism.

Supernatural extraordinary means of salvation are possible but no man or woman has EVER BEEN granted the power to exercise those means. That prerogative belongs to God alone.

I submit the above statement as a proposed cease-fire over the so-called "Feenyite/BOD" scandal that has made CI such a frustratingly unfruitful place lately.

Thank you for this. Very eloquently put.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2013, 08:44:45 PM »

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Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2013, 09:53:09 PM »

It is really hard to argue with an exhortation to let God be God.

Mike.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2013, 11:21:38 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

It is really hard to argue with an exhortation to let God be God.

Mike.

Ayup, and I'm getting thumbed down for affirming that.

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2013, 11:48:35 PM »

Really, God can sort it. It's fairly clear that if someone is working to get Baptised and gets slaughtered en route, they may be martyrs and BOB may apply. But it's very rare since, unlike in earlier centuries when priests (or just lay Catholics) were few and far between, Baptism is easy to attain now. Find a Baptised person, ask. Knock on any parish door, even Protestant, and there you go: Baptised.

But if ppl aren't Baptised because they didn't believe enough in the Sacrament or thought some kind of "feelings" were enough, then they're going to Hell, and are probably worse off than the aborigines of invincible ignorance fame.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2013, 12:46:57 PM »

A truce is not a Catholic concept people. Imagine if the Catholic Church tried to call a truce with Martin Luther. What would happen? Martin Luther would continue pushing his errors and destroying the Catholic Church anyway.

Imagine if the Catholic Church tried to call a truce with Arius - the Church would probably still be infected with Arianism because heretics never stop. It's like a cancer eating away at a healthy body; it needs to be cut off. We don't just coexist with it!

You'll notice it's those that hold the errors are the ones that continue beating the dead horse. Those that hold the truth need not keep whining about anything - they are just trying to practice their faith day-to-day. Guess who keeps bringing up this subject over and over and over? It's the Feeneyites. You can always see where the error lies; it lies with those who keep whining and complaining and whispering to others to try to bring them to their views. Go ahead and try to call a truce, and those wormy Feeneyites will continue their dirty work anyway. That is why Catholics who hold the true position have no choice but to defend the Church.