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Quote from: SJBQuote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBQuoteMystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.No, but Mystici Corporis did. Take a gander at Denzinger.Well, I suggest that you take a look at your copy of Denzinger's. You will almost certainly find that the editor of that book was none other than Fr. Karl Rahner, the architect of the Second Vatican Council. And, yes, I misspelled (or, rather, my spell-checker, which does not know Latin) Mystici Corporis Christi. I could, of course, point out your typos, but being a Christian, I would regard that behavior as being uncharitable.And your point is what? Denzinger is no good because Rahner was editor? Was he editor in 1943? Is this just an empty charge to CYA?Go ahead with the typos, others have pointed them out...and I thanked them. :) You shouldn't be so sensitive about it.So what was the purpose of the definition of membership contained in the encyclical Mystici Corporis?During WII, the Catholic Church had one of the most extensive spy networks in the World. (The Church still does.) Pope Pius XII knew what was going on in nαzι Germany, and in 1943, he knew that the war was turning against them. Near the end of the war, the Church would establish the infamous "Rat Line," which would allow dozens of nαzι war criminals to escape Allied justice, and nooses.Remember that Father Karl Rahner, after a few mild reprimands, was a theologian in good standing with the Church when Pius XII died. No doubt Mystici Corporis Christi was influenced, not by Rahner, but by his predecessors in the German theological schools and Jesuit order.The Church's theology in recent times, especially towards the Jews, was heavily influenced by the h0Ɩ0cαųst, Darwinian and atheistic materialism, Enlightenment philosophy, and higher Biblical criticism and historiography.
Quote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBQuoteMystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.No, but Mystici Corporis did. Take a gander at Denzinger.Well, I suggest that you take a look at your copy of Denzinger's. You will almost certainly find that the editor of that book was none other than Fr. Karl Rahner, the architect of the Second Vatican Council. And, yes, I misspelled (or, rather, my spell-checker, which does not know Latin) Mystici Corporis Christi. I could, of course, point out your typos, but being a Christian, I would regard that behavior as being uncharitable.And your point is what? Denzinger is no good because Rahner was editor? Was he editor in 1943? Is this just an empty charge to CYA?Go ahead with the typos, others have pointed them out...and I thanked them. :) You shouldn't be so sensitive about it.So what was the purpose of the definition of membership contained in the encyclical Mystici Corporis?
Quote from: SJBQuoteMystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.No, but Mystici Corporis did. Take a gander at Denzinger.Well, I suggest that you take a look at your copy of Denzinger's. You will almost certainly find that the editor of that book was none other than Fr. Karl Rahner, the architect of the Second Vatican Council. And, yes, I misspelled (or, rather, my spell-checker, which does not know Latin) Mystici Corporis Christi. I could, of course, point out your typos, but being a Christian, I would regard that behavior as being uncharitable.
QuoteMystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.No, but Mystici Corporis did. Take a gander at Denzinger.
Mystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.
Quote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBQuote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBQuoteMystici Corpus did not, of course, contain any solemn Magisterial declarations.No, but Mystici Corporis did. Take a gander at Denzinger.Well, I suggest that you take a look at your copy of Denzinger's. You will almost certainly find that the editor of that book was none other than Fr. Karl Rahner, the architect of the Second Vatican Council. And, yes, I misspelled (or, rather, my spell-checker, which does not know Latin) Mystici Corporis Christi. I could, of course, point out your typos, but being a Christian, I would regard that behavior as being uncharitable.And your point is what? Denzinger is no good because Rahner was editor? Was he editor in 1943? Is this just an empty charge to CYA?Go ahead with the typos, others have pointed them out...and I thanked them. :) You shouldn't be so sensitive about it.So what was the purpose of the definition of membership contained in the encyclical Mystici Corporis?During WII, the Catholic Church had one of the most extensive spy networks in the World. (The Church still does.) Pope Pius XII knew what was going on in nαzι Germany, and in 1943, he knew that the war was turning against them. Near the end of the war, the Church would establish the infamous "Rat Line," which would allow dozens of nαzι war criminals to escape Allied justice, and nooses.Remember that Father Karl Rahner, after a few mild reprimands, was a theologian in good standing with the Church when Pius XII died. No doubt Mystici Corporis Christi was influenced, not by Rahner, but by his predecessors in the German theological schools and Jesuit order.The Church's theology in recent times, especially towards the Jews, was heavily influenced by the h0Ɩ0cαųst, Darwinian and atheistic materialism, Enlightenment philosophy, and higher Biblical criticism and historiography.So you don't know then...
Quote from: SJBQuote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBMembership in the Church, as defined by Pius XII, is NOT implicit.Quote22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.Outside of which no one at all will be saved. But, he doesn't say that, does he? I am still waiting for my pre-1800 source.What error was Pius XII addressing here? Do you even know, Mr. Historian?It was written during WWII as the h0Ɩ0cαųst was swinging into high gear. Perhaps Pius XII wanted to distance himself from Naxism yet appear orthodox in his beliefs.
Quote from: JehanneQuote from: SJBMembership in the Church, as defined by Pius XII, is NOT implicit.Quote22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.Outside of which no one at all will be saved. But, he doesn't say that, does he? I am still waiting for my pre-1800 source.What error was Pius XII addressing here? Do you even know, Mr. Historian?
Quote from: SJBMembership in the Church, as defined by Pius XII, is NOT implicit.Quote22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.Outside of which no one at all will be saved. But, he doesn't say that, does he? I am still waiting for my pre-1800 source.
Membership in the Church, as defined by Pius XII, is NOT implicit.Quote22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.
22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.
What error was Pius XII addressing here?