Author Topic: 1949 Letter from Holy Office Correcting Feeneyite Error (Read 30061 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:59:22 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

My understanding from reading G Potter-- After Boston Heresy Case is that the docuмent allegedly coming from the Holy Office is a fraud.

And you should believe, at face value, the testimony of a man with a conflict of interest, WHY?

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2009, 11:16:11 PM »

The real problem is the other docuмent allegedly ex-communicating Fr Feeney. It is signed by no Ecclesiastical Authority. This tells me there are those who resorted to dirty tricks against Fr Feeney and makes me suspicious of the above docuмent added on to Mr Potter's account.

I don't know alot about Gary Potter othr than his book gets an A+ imo as a historical effort. What is his conflict of interest?

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:43:25 AM »

Pius XII was a heretic. BoD, NFP, and a bunch of materially heretical statements mixed into his Masonic flavoured encyclicals.

Good evening Don. Pope Pius IX did not teach that those who die in invincible ignorance can be saved.

I have gathered together the quotes on the matter, and examined them carefully to see exactly what they did and DIDN'T teach.

Here are my findings.

Also, you may be surprised to learn that both online links to the "Catechism of St. Pius X" teach implicit desire.

Note that being a heretic antipope, Pius XII did not actually canonize Pius X. So Pius X, saint as he may very well be, is not one canonically.

First, from here.

Quote from: "Catechism of St. Pius X"

29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation

And from here.

Quote from: "Catechism of St. Pius X"

17 Q: Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?

A: The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

If this makes you think that Pius X was a heretic, worry not. He cannot be held accountable for the writings in this catechism and for good reasons that I have had the good fortune of being directed to. Now I direct you to the same information that was bestowed upon me (and greatly alleviated much confusion).

Here it is.

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:59:19 AM »

At the very least,CM is betrayed by his 1-- malicious attack on St Alphonsus and 2-- his dirty trick in the Boniface 6/7 discussion.

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:57:19 AM »

Roscoe, I told you, I was given second hand information by someone I used to trust, information which I was unable to verify. I was wrong to trust him, but I did not feel I had any reason not to at the time.

And can you please tell me what dirty trick you are talking about? The only thing I remember is that you told me Pius X declared certain people as antipopes and that I had somehow supported your position with the links I had previously posted.

I didn't see how this was so. I re-posted the links to show you exactly why I didn't see how it was so.

Is that the instance you are thinking of?